Badmike wrote:We started with the Holmes Boxed set, but we immediately went out and bought the PHB and MM (the DMG wasn't available yet) to play the "Advanced" game with all the extra rules, classes, monsters, etc. Of course, now it seems mind boggling we had to game so long without the complete rules even being available! I seem to remember using the To Hit charts in the Holmes set because the DMG's charts weren't available. I remember someone from our group having the Greyhawk supplement and we used a few of the magic item descriptions from there (again, because the DMG wasn't available). Funny, I remember White boxes being for sale in the local hobby store, and our group members as "Advanced" players turned up our nose at them...."Who would want to use THAT when you can use all three of these really cool hardbacks instead?"Mike B.