bclarkie wrote:Above and beyond the fact that I don't evenconsider 3.0/3.5 as really Dungeons and Dragons as it is obviously not, there are a multitude of reasons as to why I do not like 3.0/3.5, To illustrate my point about 3.0/3.5 NOT being real D&D, let me say again the only similarities be 1st edition OD&D/AD&D and 3rd edition are the name itself, both are P&P FRPGs, you use dice, and the fact that you kill monsters/creatures and take their stuff. Those comparisons however, can be applied to just about any FRPG EVER MADE.
bclarkie wrote:Those reasons aside, IMNSHO, 3rd edition sucks, period. It is entirely to rules heavy, the rule books are boring to read and they were created with no imigination what-so-ever. The game play itself caters to 12 year old munchkin powergamers who want to win it all and rule the world with PCs that have limitless powers and unlimited possiblilties. I found when trying to read the original Core rulebooks, that I was more interested in reading my college level Calculus book, as it was more imaginitive, more easily understood, and not nearly as dry. A lot of people like to compare 3rd edition as it was created for the video game crowd, and although I agree to a certain extent, in another extent, even video games put certain limitations on character and game play where as 3rd edition has virtually none.
guerret wrote:Well, it seems that I somehow hurt your feelings, and personally I don't really understand why. I had absolutely no intention to flame you, much less offend you. So please, forgive any word that may have accidentally upset you, but please don't get to that harsh tone so easily, for I assure you there's no valid reason to resort to that.
Beyondthebreach wrote:MShipley88 wrote: I am surprised that the same love of complexity does not attract older gamers to 3.5. I think the objections to 3.5 are mostly nostalgia for the older version.Mark To be honest, I like 3E less and less as I see more. And no, it's not because of my nostalgia. Actually, 3E is what got me back into D&D and I still have the Core books that I told my wife to get me for Christmas. I thought then (and I still do now) that 3E came up with many good ideas, an excellent d20 system, changing in ability score progression and upper limits, defining abilities for monsters, new size rules, the addition of the Sorcerer class, feats & skills, workable rules for poison and energy drain (energy drain being the most unbalanced aspects of AD&D and something that I eventually allowed a save for - we could barely find time to play as it was, mutiple level drains could set a campaign back a whole year!) . . . .Anyway, with all the reselling I do, I have purchased a number of d20 items . . . and the more I see, the less I like it. That is nothing against the rules, per se, but a lot of the stuff . . . it's just stupid.I, mean, it's really bad . . . it's like a poorly written fantasy novel . . . you know, you start reading it and by the time you are on page 50, you think: "this sucks!" and put it on the shelf to just sit.Again, I don't mean the rules . . . I mean the ideas. The monsters, the prestige classes, the endless feats, the spells. So much of it is just poorly written and poorly imagined. Very low quality stuff.If I were to run a d20 Campaign, all I would want would be the three Core books. That's all I'd need. I bet I could even run a campaign that many on these forums would enjoy have fun playing! Even Deadlord! (I am, of course, assuming that the Player's are all quality RPGers and not reckless power gamers).
MShipley88 wrote: I am surprised that the same love of complexity does not attract older gamers to 3.5. I think the objections to 3.5 are mostly nostalgia for the older version.Mark
MShipley88 wrote: D&D materials as a bad novel.....that is pretty much true of all D&D materials since the beginning of the genre. I think it is the ages of the readers that have changed. Mark
MShipley88 wrote:Today I noticed an ad for Kobolds Ate My Baby in Dragon magazine. At $14.95, it would have been out of my reach in high school. I could never have spent $15 + tax for a game I might play only once. Now, however, I thought about the concept of a beer and pretzels game night and I said....."Hmmmm. Maybe." We have the cash now that we never had back in the day.
Deadlord39 wrote:I didn't see any personal attacks.Mark, your tabletop/computer RPG idea has already been done. Neverwinter Nights.