I did a cover for Goodman Games, he pays 75$ for them. I used to get 100-150 for a full page b/w. By the time I filled the gastank, drove thru tolls to the nearest Kinko's got the scan and emailed I actually made 15$ on the cover. I couldn't afford to work for him, and I'm afraid this may represent the whole genre these days, or I got a Chump sign around my neck!!
Adam Shultz wrote:I did a cover for Goodman Games, he pays 75$ for them. I used to get 100-150 for a full page b/w. By the time I filled the gastank, drove thru tolls to the nearest Kinko's got the scan and emailed I actually made 15$ on the cover. I couldn't afford to work for him, and I'm afraid this may represent the whole genre these days, or I got a Chump sign around my neck!! This is the quote, Allan. I am not sure what you heard or well but this is directly from one of the artists we worship on these boards. You guys should actually try to contact these artists and offer for their services. Some of them really need to cash. Just because we worship them doesn't mean they are cash rich rock stars.
Adam Shultz wrote::lol: May I make a special request?Please dont ask these guys to recreate original works. I dont think they can since TSR/Hasbro owns the rights to the images. Plus, it could get terribly confusing or at worst perverted to have clones of expensive originals flowing through the collectors hands.
Adam Shultz wrote:I have emailed Erol Otus perhaps a dozen times. I am sure he has reported me for stalking him as he hasn't replied. I even had Joseph Goodman forward an email.
dathon wrote:jamesmishler wrote:(Sorry for the lecture, but I'm having trouble with people lately who seem to think that people are in this industry "just for the love of it." Drives me nuts...)But that seems to be the case based on your above tally. Goodman doesn't stand to make much money from publishing modules, so why else is he doing it besides love of the game and/or vanity (in Goodman's case, I mean that in a good way)? I really like the Goodman stuff so I hope they continue publishing modules, but they don't seem to be making much money off it.
jamesmishler wrote:(Sorry for the lecture, but I'm having trouble with people lately who seem to think that people are in this industry "just for the love of it." Drives me nuts...)
Badmike wrote:I'm with you. That sounds nuts. If anyone knows how to get ahold of Otus, Roslof or Dees, let them know I will pay them a firm $375 (five times their Goodman games rate) for either a redraw of a classic cover (Rogue's Gallery cover for Otus, Q1 for Roslof, A1 for Dees) or all original work from any of this trio in "classic D&D cover" form. That's right, they can just redraw or update their classic covers, or draw a cover for one of my homebrews, and I will gladly part with $375. Man, if that was true the Acaeum alone could support these guys in style for a good many years, as I bet I'm not the only one here who wouldn't mind hanging an "original" copy of the cover to Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits on their wall at home, signed by the artist.....!Mike B.
Adam Shultz wrote:I did a cover for Goodman Games, he pays 75$ for them. I used to get 100-150 for a full page b/w. By the time I filled the gastank, drove thru tolls to the nearest Kinko's got the scan and emailed I actually made 15$ on the cover. I couldn't afford to work for him, and I'm afraid this may represent the whole genre these days, or I got a Chump sign around my neck!! This is the quote, Allan. I am not sure what you heard or well but this is directly from one of the artists we worship on these boards.
jamesmishler wrote:Tsrart,That is definitely a factor in games, too. Another is the fact that everybody and their brother wants to be a fantasy artist these days, and, as the industry is so tight on margin, overeager "artists" of barely passable skills are being used because they are willing to work dirt cheap just to "break in." That, of course, depresses the whole market...Same is true for writers/designers, especially in d20. Of course, the fact that there are no barriers to publishing anymore mean that the situation for writers is even worse...And, of course, the economies of publishing just aren't what it used to be. Used to ber the "Rule of 10," in which a publisher charged 10 times the print cost of a product as the MSRP. Now it is lucky to be "Rule of Five" or five times the base publishing costs. The discount for publishers has remained the same or worse, so the only way they can make up the increased printing costs is by going cheaper and cheaper on words and art...
jamesmishler wrote:Badmike wrote:I'm with you. That sounds nuts. If anyone knows how to get ahold of Otus, Roslof or Dees, let them know I will pay them a firm $375 (five times their Goodman games rate) for either a redraw of a classic cover (Rogue's Gallery cover for Otus, Q1 for Roslof, A1 for Dees) or all original work from any of this trio in "classic D&D cover" form. That's right, they can just redraw or update their classic covers, or draw a cover for one of my homebrews, and I will gladly part with $375. Man, if that was true the Acaeum alone could support these guys in style for a good many years, as I bet I'm not the only one here who wouldn't mind hanging an "original" copy of the cover to Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits on their wall at home, signed by the artist.....!Mike B.Mike,The $75 Otus is referring to is for secondary rights only, not for the actual piece of art. Typically, to get the actual piece of art (sans scondary rights) it will cost you betwen five and 20 times as much, depending on nature of the piece, the size, its importance, and the "name" attached to it.Printing rights are always cheaper than the originals, and usually those rights are only "first use," for that single product and the right to use its image in advertising for that product. Of course, ikf you commission art painted as "work for hire," you as the buyer are getting all rights to the art, including the art itself (usually). And that is very expensive for the really good artists...Realize that the art that Otus did for Goodman was probably no bigger than 6.75" tall by 11.25" wide (1.5 times the size of the final print on product). From Otus right now, you might be able to get that from him for $375, as he's not doing any other work at the moment (that I am aware of).An original Caldwell, though, smaller than even that, will run you $1,200 these days (that's for one of the Magic cards he painted). The cover from the Orcs of Thar gazetteer? $2,500. An Everquest cover? $10,000. And none of those includes the rights to actually do anything with the painting other than own it and display it. You could not, for example, make and sell posters of a painting you bought like that. Those kinds of rights are a separate issue, and cost even more.$75 isn't chump pay, though it is less than the going rate ($100 to $300, for "hot name" artists... note that the really big guys, like Elmore, Caldwell, and etc., have generally priced themselves out of the industry). For someone who hasn't done any art in some time, even though he has a "name" from back in the day, $75 for "first use" rights is probably fair.
Badmike wrote: Once again, if anyone here has contact with one of these fine artists let them know that I myself will be very willing to pay several hundred dollars for original artwork. Mike B.