Adam Shultz wrote:I understood that to mean that he was trying to sell the version he just sold off to A2Jeff.
harami2000 wrote:Adam Shultz wrote:I understood that to mean that he was trying to sell the version he just sold off to A2Jeff.At present that copy cannot be shown to be any different to a standard yellow scrollwork cover ziploc (June 1976 or later), unless Jeff can find some constant printing difference which might show that the white pages are "earlier" than any of the others seen included in other copies thus far
a2jeff wrote:I'll do a detailed comparison of the pages in my black folder version (see page 1 or 2 of this thread for some details on my black folder copy contents, which differs from Harami's slightly) to the pages in the House Copy and see if I can notice anything.
a2jeff wrote:Another possible approach is to compare white pages of the House copy to Killjoy's, should he want to extract them (again....).
mbassoc2003 wrote:I would have expected to see the grey grid in the black folder version maps!? Is the grey grid missing in your black folder version of PoVQ?
Pete Kerestan wrote: The product itself was first put out in a plastic bag with just a plain sheet front. They didn't sell to the hobby shops in LA at all well. I took the next step and had a black cover made up by my wife's cousin who had a print shop.
afoolandhis$ wrote:Setting aside the finer details of the dates and printings for a moment, this is the over-arching scenario that makes sense to me.Production begins with: white title page, no scrollwork, polybagged. Very simple. Doesn't catch much attention.Next: white title page, scrollwork, polybagged. Timing perhaps coinciding with Brad getting set up in Pete's shop. Still doesn't attract much in the way of attention/sales. Need to ramp up the packaging.
afoolandhis$ wrote:Next: yellow title page, scrollwork, bagged. Very soon afterward: production of the black folders begins. Some of the black folders are stuffed with the leftover sets that have a white title page without scrollwork, some are stuffed with the leftover sets that have a white title page with scrollwork, and the rest are stuffed with the newly-printed sets with yellow title page with scrollwork. Sales pick up.
afoolandhis$ wrote:So it goes from there to the bagged castle printing and finally the digest printing. The regression to a polybagged version (with the yellow castle cover) may have been motivated by deteriorating relations with TSR and resultant tightening of funds. On the other hand, wouldn't the digest printing have been more expensive than the yellow castle baggy version?
afoolandhis$ wrote:I see the evolution of the module as driven by the need to increase visibility and shelf appeal. From white, plain; to white, scrolled; to yellow, scrolled; to all of that plus black folders (re-packaging un-sold, early printings).Any thoughts?
tfm wrote:I thought David's chronology was on track, that the black folder predates any kind of yellow sheet, as described earlier: Pete Kerestan wrote: The product itself was first put out in a plastic bag with just a plain sheet front. They didn't sell to the hobby shops in LA at all well. I took the next step and had a black cover made up by my wife's cousin who had a print shop. Am I missing something?
afoolandhis$ wrote:(referring to tfm's post above):Good point, but I guess the question is what is meant by "plain sheet front"? Could that refer simply to a lack of an illustration (castle), lack of scrollwork, or lack of cover (folder)? Maybe I'm reading more into it than I should, but "plain sheet front" reads differently to me than would "plain front sheet".Do we have any more info from Pete on that point?