Badmike wrote:I would say thumbs down to early Kalamar as 2nd edition AD&D. I finally looked at a few of the earlier supplements and while VERY evocative of 2E they are not officially that game system and very obviously state they are for any RPG.  They seem to be pretty much in the "generic" category unless someone has evidence to the contrary (I only have a few of these).
I really think the "unlicensed" category is creating too much work.

Mike B.

Should we move them to "Universal Supplement"?
There's quite a few links there already, and we wouldn't have to create a new "game", per se.


Taken right from the back of "A Foe In Need" (It's on the other Kalamar Quest booklets, too):
This game adventure and supplement is suitable for use with any fantasy role playing system, including, but not limited to Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, Rolemaster, and HackMaster"

jkason wrote:
Should we move them to "Universal Supplement"?
There's quite a few links there already, and we wouldn't have to create a new "game", per se.

The wiki is growing quickly and as expected categorisation is proving a challenge. My one immediate concern in putting Kalamar items into 'Universal Supplements' is that it would be confusing. The Kalamar items would drown out the other small cottage supplements. And it will be useful to keep 'Kalamar' grouped.

One possibility (and I'll discuss this with grubbiv), would be to have two Super-Categories: 'Universal Supplements' and 'Generic Fantasy Systems' or something like that. These could be bold text links under games in the front page. 'Generic Fantasy Systems' could then hold 'Kalamar' and some of the other d20 companies that produce large numbers of supplements. 'Universal Supplements' could group the smaller, older cottage companies like Bard Games and Reily Associates.

Thoughts?

So why not just classify the pre-3E Kalamar stuff as a "Universal Supplement" in the 'Game' slot, and classify the 3E stuff as such.

The 'Setting' slot will remain the same, and keep all the Kalamar stuff together, the only thing that would change is that the pre-3E stuff will show up under "Universal Supplement" rather than "AD&D2E"

As a whole, I Believe there were only the 10 adventures, the 1 GW book (Beneath the Waves), and the Box Set (which I haven't scanned ....yet) for pre-3E.

On the other hand, there's a whole butt-load of stuff for 3E Kalamar that I haven't even scanned into the computer yet. And they Just released the 4E setting as a 500+ page PDF.

Solved then! - no major tweaking needed. Go ahead with your suggested classification jkason.

Hey does anyone know if the author Allen Hammack is spelt:

Allan Hammack    or
Allen Hammack

I have come across two cases of the first version and two cases of the second version. He wrrote some articles in the early Dragons.

HermitFromPluto wrote:Hey does anyone know if the author Allen Hammack is spelt:

Allan Hammack    or
Allen Hammack

I have come across two cases of the first version and two cases of the second version. He wrrote some articles in the early Dragons.

"Allan" with an A.

Foul

Hey, I noticed we have Fantasy, Science Fiction, and Horror genre categories, but I couldn't find Humour.  I have been adding to Comedy instead until we have something solid.  I didn't use Humour because then we have to argue over how it's spelled but Comedy is the same.  

As well, are we going to have a systems category like we have a games category or just have both all in the games category?

K

It may not matter alot, but even the old WEG games were based on respective systems like the D6 system or Masterbook system.  It gets a little whacky with them as they tended to modify their system for the game a bit more than other Universal systems.

Mythus would have been a good example if other Dangerous Journeys games had been put out.  

All the different Palladium games?  

The best example is likely all the Tri-Stat dX games from Guardians of Order.  They are all Tri-Stat, but each a different game.  BESM, Heaven & Earth, Silver Age Sentinels, etc...  So each is part of the Tri-Stat system, but each has their own series of books.  Although some are one-shot books too.

As quick Q, I haven't been adding any until I new, but what about OSRIC modules and that type of game book?  I've left them all out of my uploads so far until i knew you wanted them in the mix.

This is a great wiki!

K

Update on 'Dungeon' on the Wiki.

Hi everyone. I have put the majority of issues #1 to #60 on the Wiki. I am missing #3, 4, 5, 48, 55 and 56. If anyone can put these in (or have some to sell me!) go ahead. I have just a smattering of the remaining issues between #61 and #150 (including #137 to #150), which I will put up in due course.

I am by no means a 'Dungeon' expert - I think that hat fits badmike better than me, so I have a few questions:

1. Is there a point where all the adventures become Second Edition? Through the 20's and 30's, it seems to state explicitly whether it is for Second Edition or not. After a while it is no longer mentioned, so in later issues, I have been signifying 2nd edition if it referred to a 2nd edition book or used terms like warrior and wizard instead of fighter and magic-user.

2. I assume I have the inserts right, but it is of course possible that I have 'new' looking magazines that are missing extras such as maps and pull-outs. Feel free to check what has been put up against your own collections and point out or correct any errors.

3. I have a question about Mystara. As I understand it, the realm of Mystara is the original setting from basic D&D, which in earlier mags seems to be referred to as the 'Known World'. Should all D&D adventures set in these realms be linked to Mystara?

Feel free to jump in and correct a mistake if you see one. The periodicals seem to have many variations of authors names.