jkason wrote:Hey Mike.Just noticed the tidbits you posted about dungeon 33 & 37, and was going to update Dragon 109 & 111, but you beat me to it.Addictive is not the word.Check out Dungeon 109 & 111 again, I tweaked them a little bit more.
jkason wrote:Mike,If you have time, I want you to check out the issue of Dragon I just put up (359).Don't know if it has exactly the right "feel" to it. It could use a tweaking.Maybe it's just becuase it's out of the chronoloical order.
Kersus wrote:Apologies to grubbiv for having to fix a pile of my "sort orders," I'll try to keep that in mind. I also like what you did with the Combatant's Guide as far as the acknowledgements went. It looks nicer in the list.K
grubbiv wrote:People have been wondering whether to categorize early Kingdoms of Kalamar as AD&D 2E given that was not officially licensed but clearly intended for it. One option is to create a separate game category called 'AD&D 2nd Edition (unlicensed)'. That way people who are only interested in the official stuff don't have to look at it, but we aren't forced to file it under 'Universal Supplement'.
grubbiv wrote:One option is to create a separate game category called 'AD&D 2nd Edition (unlicensed)'. That way people who are only interested in the official stuff don't have to look at it, but we aren't forced to file it under 'Universal Supplement'.
Mars wrote:This is a tricky thing to deal with well but something that would be good to get organized early. There are lots of 3rd party items that are "generic" but may also contain D&D stats or stats for other systems such as Runequest, etc. Some say specificallly infer that they can be used with D&D where others may not explicitly state it but will have stats block that are essentially D&D.For the early Kalamar items, I think they all state that they are suitable for any RPG including but not limited to AD&D.
Invincible Overlord wrote:Kenzer and Company is responsible for Knights of the Dinner Table. WOTC, years ago, published a Best of Dragon Magazine product for the computer that had all the magazines on it (I forgot what it was called). However, WOTC sorta forgot that they did not have permission to re-issue the KoTD comics on this product. Kenzer sued WOTC, and they settled it by allowing Kenzer to issue Kingdoms of Kalamar as a D&D Product, and to allow them to run Living Kingdoms of Kalamar through the RPGA Living Campaign system. Living Kingdoms of Kalamar ended at Origins 2008 as an official RPGA Living Campaign, and is now renamed Ledgends of Kalamar (being run outside the auspices of the RPGA).
Mars wrote:Do you have a reliable source for this? I would be interested in the details of what really happened. This Wiki entry:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_(magazine)suggests that it is all KoTD's fault that the Dragon Archive is out of print and "hard to find" I thought that Kenzer negotiated the rights to use all the old D&D stuff for Hackmaster from this. For the Kalamar D20 items, there is an open license so they could say for use with D&D without any problem.With the Dragon Archive, the copyright issue was not limited to Kenzer but to anyone who submitted an independent article or adventure or comic. The number that I heard floated around was that it added half a million dollars to the project. If you look at the downloads for newer Dragon magazines, some of them are not complete PDFs because of licensing restrictions.
Badmike wrote:I would say thumbs down to early Kalamar as 2nd edition AD&D. I finally looked at a few of the earlier supplements and while VERY evocative of 2E they are not officially that game system and very obviously state they are for any RPG. They seem to be pretty much in the "generic" category unless someone has evidence to the contrary (I only have a few of these).I really think the "unlicensed" category is creating too much work. Mike B.
jkason wrote:Should we move them to "Universal Supplement"?There's quite a few links there already, and we wouldn't have to create a new "game", per se.
HermitFromPluto wrote:Thoughts?
jkason wrote:So why not just classify the pre-3E Kalamar stuff as a "Universal Supplement" in the 'Game' slot, and classify the 3E stuff as such.The 'Setting' slot will remain the same, and keep all the Kalamar stuff together, the only thing that would change is that the pre-3E stuff will show up under "Universal Supplement" rather than "AD&D2E"As a whole, I Believe there were only the 10 adventures, the 1 GW book (Beneath the Waves), and the Box Set (which I haven't scanned ....yet) for pre-3E.On the other hand, there's a whole butt-load of stuff for 3E Kalamar that I haven't even scanned into the computer yet. And they Just released the 4E setting as a 500+ page PDF.