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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:45 am 
 

I'm sure this isn't worth anything, but what set did this thing come in and when? It's hard to tell from the copyright date in the photo, but isn't it odd that the poster has the angled TSR logo, yet all the product shots show the wizard logo on the books and not one of the orange spine/angled logo versions?




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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:39 am 
 

My guess would be a Dragon magazine as I've never seen this in any box set.

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:06 am 
 

Random thoughts:

The art was (first?) used as the cover to Dragon 62, mid 1982, so this is probably from some point after that.

I don't think the logos mean too much in this case.  The transition is Wizard, Face, then Angled, so it's probably just old stock pictures being used in the ad.

TSR UK address is The Mill, so it's from no later than the end of 1988.

Odd that it mentions Dungeons & Dragons together with Paladin.  Shouldn't that be Advanced Dungeons & Dragons?

The edges don't look like they're cut/torn from a magazine.  The center fold feels original.

I'd guess it's from a box set.  Maybe a video game or board game?

  

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:36 am 
 

It really depends on the size of the poster.  If it is a full poster from Dragon or from a boxed set, then it should have a horizontal and vertical fold line (but I only see 1 such line).

I would guess that it was probably a promotional item sent out to stores or came in one of the press kits.  I don't see the staple holes so I don't think it is from a Dragon magazine.

By the looks of the items, I would probably guess it is from around 1982ish?  Deities and Demigods instead of Legends & Lore, etc.

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:40 am 
 

I have this... I've had it for a very long time (80s?) I've never bought a single Dungeon mag. I think it may have come in Fantasy Forrest or Quest for the Mungeon Master game... but maybe it came in a 1981-1983 basic, expert or companion boxed set... It my have been a give-away at Wldenbooks when I bought my Basic set or a module there in 1984-6 or so... It also could have been picked up at the school book fair where I used to buy my Endless Quest Books. These are the kinds of items I bought new back-in-the-day and I've had it since then.

It's about 12" x 16"... pretty small.

Mine has two folds (Vert and Horiz)


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:45 am 
 

My (somewhat educated) guess was going to be that it came in one of the computer games pictured at the bottom left of the "poster". The size would be about right, folded. "Apple 2" is mentioned in the description of the computer products, which would put it around the 1982 or 1983 time period. Also, the seller also has Macintosh items listed for auction... Once an Apple user, always an Apple user. 2 cents and all that..


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:46 am 
 

Mars wrote:By the looks of the items, I would probably guess it is from around 1982ish?  Deities and Demigods instead of Legends & Lore, etc.


Bottom of the poster has a 1982 copyright date.

BTW: Did those games for the Apple II+ (Dungeon!, Theseus and the Minotaur, Dawn Patrol) ever come out?


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:50 am 
 

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:My (somewhat educated) guess was going to be that it came in one of the computer games pictured at the bottom left of the "poster". The size would be about right, folded. "Apple 2" is mentioned in the description of the computer products, which would put it around the 1982 or 1983 time period. Also, the seller also has Macintosh items listed for auction... Once an Apple user, always an Apple user. 2 cents and all that..


There is a VERY small possibility that my buddy from junior high gave this to me in the early 90s... his bro was a big Apple/D&D nerd... and I got a handful of hand-me-downs from them.

But I seem to recall having this before I met said bloke.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:51 am 
 

Theseus and the Minotaur was released but I'm not sure about the other two.

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:18 am 
 

Mars wrote:Theseus and the Minotaur was released but I'm not sure about the other two.


I'm pretty sure Dawn Patrol was also. I don't think Dungeon was, but Frank would know....

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:38 pm 
 

Mars wrote:Theseus and the Minotaur was released but I'm not sure about the other two.


We have the Theseus and the Minotaur and Dawn Patrol computer games.  99.9% sure that the Dungeon computer game was never released.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:16 pm 
 

I had one of these on my closet door many, many years ago.  My guess is that is came in a box set or (more likely) a Waldenbooks promo.  I was an Apple nerd too, but I never really bought any software so I don't think it was related.  Not entirely ruling it out, though... my old man memory is a little fuzzy.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:25 pm 
 

I have a vague memory of an old Acaeum thread discussing this poster...(searches through the fog)...ah, here it is:

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Much older thread than I thought (2003). Definitely the same artwork in question since grodog mentions Dragon #62 in that thread; however, there appear to be multiple posters with this artwork.

beyerun wrote:Was a folded up poster, I believe a knight on horseback.  Horse had barding on. Definitely not the artwork from the D&D Companion set. I recall getting it at Sears and it may have even been a Greyhawk poster. Anyone have one or know what I'm talking about? Very early eighties.  AD&D promo poster. Was taped to the back of my bedroom door and not sure what ever happened to it. Got it free with a purchase of a D&D module or book. I'll probably end up looking like an idiot and it'll be from 1985 or something and from one of the D&D boxed sets.


beyerun wrote: Thanks for that link! The one I had, had a different border, and closer in on the artwork. But its like that, only closer in on the knight. No white border, different font, and didn't say Paladin. But that is the artwork used.  I keep thinking it had to go with WoG as well.


FoulFoot wrote:I had a poster with that artwork (it was a full-size poster, though, with no border and no writing).  It's an Easley painting.  I'm pretty sure I didn't get it free with anything (this was 15 years ago, so my memory is sketchy).  I believe I picked it up at a bookstore, in their poster rack.


Here's another thread that discusses the version that says "Paladin":

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Alexander1968 wrote:I have recently acquired from Noble Knight Games (hi Aaron!) a strange TSR item: it's a big envelope containing a Dungeon Hobby Shop catalog (there is no date, but considering the AD&D books it mentions I suppose it was printed in 1980), a promo flyer for Dragon and Little Wars magazines, two catalogs (one blue wth the Lizard logo and one red with the Wizard logo, I suppose they refer to 1978 and 1979 considering the Blue one announces the 'upcoming' DMG for 1978 and the Red one for 1979  :D ), a blank order form and a little promo poster named "The D&D Game Paladin" with a copyright date of 1982. Oh, almost forgot: there s the envelope itself - it's big, prinmted on brown paper and it has printed the info for reaching the Dungeon Hobby Shop.   Does anybody else has such a item? Is this complete? What it could be worth?

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Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:45 pm 
 

Wow, great sleuthing! I thought I was aware of a lot of stuff from 1e, but it's always interesting what turns up.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:35 pm 
 

Thanks!

Could we get a close up shot of the part of the poster showing those computer games? I don't believe I've ever seen what they look like.

Edit: whoops, that's an auction, not your own personal poster. Anybody else?

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:50 pm 
 

I'll take a pic of it tomorrow afternoon.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:16 pm 
 

Nevermind... I just scanned it:

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:52 am 
 

I can't say for sure whether Dungeon was released or not, but there are dumps of all three of the Apple II games on the Internet. I don't know if Dungeon! was completed and never released, released in a very small quantities, etc. I have a feeling if it was ever actually released, someone on here would have a copy of it  :D

  

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Post Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:48 pm 
 

GreyM wrote:I can't say for sure whether Dungeon was released or not, but there are dumps of all three of the Apple II games on the Internet. I don't know if Dungeon! was completed and never released, released in a very small quantities, etc. I have a feeling if it was ever actually released, someone on here would have a copy of it  :D

Fantasy Gamer from August/September 1983 has a review of it on page 38.  The review says that the game is from 1982.  A full-blown retail copy seems to have been reviewed.

BTW, that Fantasy Gamer is the first from Steve Jackson Games and is "Number 1" or "Premier Issue".

  


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Post Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:17 pm 
 

Thanks for the scan, Milford. I'd heard of the Theseus game before, but I've definitely never seen these covers. It's always nice to see more TSR products with the Face logo. The Acaeum TSR Stock List has the product codes as 3501, 3502 and 3503.

Here's a page with a closer pic of the Thesus cover, and the artwork is the same as in the poster:
http://yois.if-legends.org/vault.php?id=225


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The Dungeon! cover looks like an Easley. I've seen that artwork before - one place is the German B2 HET FORT IN HET GRENSGEBIED - but I think it was used somewhere else?

Some anecdotal evidence:
http://www.armchairarcade.com/aamain/co ... article.60
Just to add to the article a bit, if I remember correctly, TSR produced a few mediocre computer titles for the Apple II in the very early 1980's, one of which was "Dungeon" (I remember seeing a small, but interesting color screenshot in one of my early issues of Electronic Games), which I believe was a relatively simple RPG/maze game (randomized dungeons) hybrid. It must not have done very well (nor their other computer titles) as I've only seen one eBay auction for it ("Dungeon" and one other title) and additional information on the Internet is VERY hard to come by. Perhaps TSR underestimated the computer market (and the need for actual QUALITY and thought put into these products) even moreso than Avalon Hill did early on, as the computer titles from the latter are better known, more readily available and were produced for many, many years, despite also having a very mediocre initial run of titles...

Anyway, TSR obviously did pull out very early on, but made some smart deals with Mattel (Intellivision), and later, SSI (computers and some consoles)...

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