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Thanks for the info!  I was pricing for buying actually, not selling.  A friend of mine picked up a big lot of boardgame and rpg stuff and told me to dig through it and grab whatever I was interested in.  I wanted to make him a reasonable offer or at least let him know how bad I was screwing him over.  

Yes, I agree that item SHOULD be worth every penny of $500+.

Just 3 months ago, I too would have said $500 plus for a sealed Envelope set.

Now I think that is too high.

Based not only on my situation (Mine comes with the original mailing envelope too, and the counters are only PARTLY punched) but also on the only public sale I know of within the past year.

That one also had an original envelope though it and the map were in less than great condition (Comparitively speaking).



As for buying?

I would offer FAR less if the seller is not a collector and knows nothing about the current value of that item.

While I do agree with your thoughs about fair play here (IE. dont rip him/her off) there is no need to break your own bank either.

Whether you do re-sell or not, purchase the items as if you were planning to re-sell it all.

If you are buying a lot of his/her items, then work out the total offer with re-sales in your mind.



IMO a reasonable offer would be more than he paid, and less than 1/3 of whateveryou think the E-Bay sales price might be.

You could show him a print out of my failed E-Bay sale as an example.

And offer $75-100 for it.



Here is a link to it, but copy it soon as the time period for being able to copy it is going to be unavailable before much longer.




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Kingofpain89 wrote:Has one of these, unopened or otherwise, ever come close to selling for that amount?  
..... why would you think that $400 - $450 is a reasonable price even for a sealed copy especially during the current financial quagmire we live in?

Yes one sold on E-Bay last Winter for $330.....
Who bought it does not matter too much since he was in a competitive bidding situation.
If there was ever a BIN at all, that was NOT how it ended.
And it was not only opened but in well used condition with ALL counters punched and the map was damaged as well.
So, when compared to a copy that is still sealed in the original mailing envelope and in mint condition with Unpunched Counters (One would assume so at least, since it is sealed) yes, there is some precedent there.
BTW: Last winter WAS During the current so-called Quagmire too...

Kingofpain89 wrote:Everyone knows that TFM will pay ridiculous amounts of money to win an item that he wants regardless of the going rate.  
Using prices from his wins to gauge trends doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

What else would we use, other than previous sales on E-Bay?
A wild assed guess?
The fact that he HAD to pay that much tells me he was NOT the only one willing to do so.
It was an E-Bay listing NOT a private sale.
There are no trends to gage otherwise.
Those things are exceedingly rare.

Never mind John...
We will just have to dissagree.

Instead of attacking my posts why not answer the original questions in the thread?
What are YOUR opinions on the situation blackdougal asked about?

So if TFM and Lofenloc get into a bidding war for one and it goes for $1000, you think that should be a good indicator of what a copy should go for even though the rest of the population of the planet that wants one is only willing to pay $200?

This is nonsensical. If you had a copy of this item and another copy just sold for "$1,000" on Ebay... would you be happy to get just $200 for your copy? "The rest of the population" would prefer closer to 1K I think.
If you get a Degassy + TFM bidding on your item you should (rightly so) expect to get a positive outcome. No? If not then you probably won't. If the item is rare you're more likely to get a Degassy/TFM bidding on your auction though.

So what makes this product valuable in the first place?

Has anyone actually played the game, or just left it unpunched gathering dust in a closet somewhere?  

Invincible Overlord wrote:So what makes this product valuable in the first place?
Has anyone actually played the game, or just left it unpunched gathering dust in a closet somewhere?    

FIRST: There were only 800 copies printed. In 1975.....
(First Editions.... that is)
Would you care to guess at how many might still be sealed in the original Mailing Envelope?
How many are unpunched?
How many are complete or still exist at all, 34 years later?

SECOND: It is the FIRST EDITION of the First Game ever published by Chaosium and the first game ever published by Greg Stafford.
(For those who may not know who he is; Greg Stafford is a game designer and the original owner and Creator of Chaosium).

http://www.weareallus.com/chaosium/boardgames.html

I honestly think this game is WAY undervalued, not just for the game itself, but also for the historical significance of the game for Chaosium as well.
I stand by my opinion as to the value of the game.

IMO: $500 is freakishly and insanely CHEAP... for this item.
But what the hell do I know?

In answer to your second question:
If I had a used punched copy and enough folks to play, I would do so.
I have read the rule book and studied it enough so that I could play it and I think it would be quite fun too.

Kingofpain89 wrote:I think my opinion on the matter is pretty clear.  Paying $400 - $500 even for a sealed copy of this is asinine.  Is it worth $300?  Perhaps....but I seriously doubt most people would consider spending that much even on a copy as nice as that one.

If I had the funds I would buy a sealed complete unpunched copy of a first edition WB and RM for $400-500 in a second...
Am I asinine?
Of course... that aint no news here.... so, what is your point?

Most people consider paying $5000 for a small brown box with 3 small booklets inside is asinine... but it happened....

The bottom line is it is worth whatever some fool will pay for it.
This fool would pay up to $500 for that sealed copy (IF I had the funds).