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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:59 am

Seller thrillqill has issues of Dungeon up for auction. The early issues are in single-issue lots. For some reason, issue 6 is far outdistancing the other issues.

At the moment, issue 6 is out front with a bid of $9.38. Issue 1 is at $2.25 , and issue 2 is at $1.49. I just bid up a multiple-issue lot to $1.25. Everything else, including multiple-issue lots, is at 0.01 or no bids.

I am watching number 6 because I think that is the FormCritic issue (I can't find the Acaeum post that mentions it). Is anything else noteworthy about number 6? Do bidders kain_kain_kain and books_blades_and_beyond know something about that I don't?

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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:37 pm

$10 for any of the first 6 issues is a good price. I would guess they will end at $20+ each. Doesn't #6 have Mark's adventure in it or is that #5?

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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:26 pm

There's nothing really 'special' about it. It's just the rarest. It and 1 will end up the highest, I'd imagine.

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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:04 pm

mordrin wrote:It's just the rarest.

I don't think #6 is quite the rarest of first dungeons. Probably #3 and 4 are rarer. By issue #7, issues 3 and 4 were no longer available for back orders.

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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:47 pm

Mars wrote:
I don't think #6 is quite the rarest of first dungeons. Probably #3 and 4 are rarer. By issue #7, issues 3 and 4 were no longer available for back orders.

#3 and #4 are much rarer. Mars is right, I started collecting Dungeon magazine at issue 7, and those two were already unavailable for back issue order at that time (only a few months later!). It took several years to finally aquire them. #2 is probably right behind, followed by #5.

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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:15 pm

- For some reason, issue 6 is far outdistancing the other issues.[/quote]
outdistance not important final price is. advertise here to increase
$30 - $35 good for #1 thru #5 now some much higher $50+++. $20 should have no chance

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:28 am

Regardless of which issue is rarest, #6 is the hardest to get, hands down. I have no idea why, but it rarely turns up and people get as excited as blind dykes in a tuna factory bidding on them.

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:35 am

Deadlord39 wrote: and people get as excited as blind dykes in a tuna factory bidding on them.

I'm not sure if that's an image I want to have or not...... :lol:

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:32 am

Deadlord39 wrote:Regardless of which issue is rarest, #6 is the hardest to get, hands down.

Right now it doesn't seem like either are difficult to find - there are at least 3 copies of each on Ebay. Personally, I still need a copy of #4.

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:46 am

ashmire13 wrote:
I'm not sure if that's an image I want to have or not......

Agreed. Would much rather see tuna producing themselves in the wild...

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:39 pm

And Douglaswrhea actually had the nuts to say he isn't trying to corner the market on stuff. I guess he isn't happy with the 2 Dungeon #1's that are sitting his store at ridiculous prices isn't enough for him. Anyone who actually believes that he is anything other than a Creep1962/Cougarrinard wannabe now, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you...

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:35 pm

Nothing wrong with that. No different than people buying items they don't need and reselling them.

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:36 pm

In fact, it's EXACTLY like that.

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:46 pm

Deadlord39 wrote:Nothing wrong with that. No different than people buying items they don't need and reselling them.

Sorry, but like everything else there is an right way and a wrong way. Continuously bidding and jacking up the prices on the same items over and over to "protect your own invesntment", all while you have same items in your Ebay store set at ridiculously high prices is quite different than picking something up cheap and selling it for a small profit. VERY DIFFERENT.

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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:20 am

There are plenty of people (even here!) who put low bids on items and hope to win them. I can't count the number of times I've seen people bid $50 on a brownie, or $25 on a tourney. Seems to me to be exactly what Dougie is doing.

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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:07 am

Deadlord39 wrote:There are plenty of people (even here!) who put low bids on items and hope to win them. I can't count the number of times I've seen people bid $50 on a brownie, or $25 on a tourney. Seems to me to be exactly what Dougie is doing.

You are right, and I have no problems with that. Its when I see this:

** expired eBay auction **

The $63 bid, which about 2 times what these things used to go for until Mr Rhea has seen fit to bid every single Dungeon #1 (and every other early Dragon and Dungeon Magazine for that matter) up as high as possible since then. Thats not trying to pick stuff up cheap for resale, that distorting the market for your own purposes. Thats what I have the major problem with, the intetional market distortion. Thats exactly what Cougar has done with H1 over the years.

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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:29 am

bclarkie wrote:

You are right, and I have no problems with that. Its when I see this:

** expired eBay auction **

The $63 bid, which about 2 times what these things used to go for until Mr Rhea has seen fit to bid every single Dungeon #1 (and every other early Dragon and Dungeon Magazine for that matter) up as high as possible since then. Thats not trying to pick stuff up cheap for resale, that distorting the market for your own purposes. Thats what I have the major problem with, the intetional market distortion. Thats exactly what Cougar has done with H1 over the years.

You can't corner the market on a Dungeon #1....unlike H1, it's far too common. And Cougar failed miserably in his attempt, having to sell several of them below what he paid. Besides, someone else wanted the mag more and outbid him....which will happen every once in awhile. It has to be brought up again that PAIZO WAS SELLING THESE UP UNTIL LAST MONTH!!!! The print run for Dungeon #1 has to be more than any other isse in the entire series. The bottom line is that Doug can bid $60 for every Dungeon mag that comes up in the next year, and he'll end up with 25 Dungeon #1's in his store and more still up on ebay at cheaper prices. It's a non issue IMO. The market is going to level this price out no matter what price one person may want to pay.

Besides, The market for Dungeon and Dragon mags is about to take a serious shift upwards now that the mags have been cancelled. I myself have seen regular issues selling like crazy in my ebay store the last few months. Everyone trying to complete their collections has suddenly been moved into action. I don't know if it's going to be a short or long term trend, but in the short run look for prices to rise.

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:41 pm

You know, I never read but a couple of threads until someone points out I am being bashed somewhere...

I appreciate the "defense" by those that posted in response

BClarkie... unlike you, I don't try to find the best deal or buy something at the cheapest price (ie: the $7.00 Chainmail you got)... when I find someone selling something way too low (ie: possibly by mistake on their part) I tell them... have even made a BIN to save the item, then paid them more or advised it should be put up for more since I don't need it.

I'd prefer to see items go for what the market shows they will go for... yes I bid $63.00 on a Dungeon 1 ... but someone wanted it more than me and paid more... as they should have... Currently they are worth more... not $150+ in my book, but hey.. I won't argue if they go that high...

As to Dragon Mags... yes on any Dragon 1-5 you will probably see me bid a very premium price, why, because I KNOW I can sell every single one I buy for higher than the price I am willing to pay... so don't expect to see Dragon 1-5 drop any time soon. I just sold #5 in VF-NM for $139.00 and a Dragon #1 for $339.00 a few days before that... so I'll pay $330.00 for the same condition copy and resell it for a $9.00 profit... works for me... and in that case I would be "selling it for a small profit" which, in your book, is okay (and make a $34.00 donation to the Aceaum in the end and some how I don't think I would have made a dime)

Which brings up a small point, I don't see Creep1962/Cougarrinard making donations to the site in an form, so I am very unlike them.

If you are aggravated that a Dungeon 1 is selling too high, I'll sell you one of mine for a more reasonable price if you need it, your are an Acaeum member and I sell stuff to members at a lower rate, just ask.

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:06 pm

ScketreWhisp wrote:You know, I never read but a couple of threads until someone points out I am being bashed somewhere...

I appreciate the "defense" by those that posted in response

The only person who defended you was unaware of your what ridiculous bid was. They have said anyhting else since I pointed it out, unless of course you are counting Badmike's post as a defense which if you are reading it that way, you are perhaps might want to read it again....

ScketreWhisp wrote:BClarkie... unlike you, I don't try to find the best deal or buy something at the cheapest price (ie: the $7.00 Chainmail you got)... when I find someone selling something way too low (ie: possibly by mistake on their part) I tell them... have even made a BIN to save the item, then paid them more or advised it should be put up for more since I don't need it.

Since this is a 100% unsubstatiated claim and likely not true I am not even going to address this.

ScketreWhisp wrote:I'd prefer to see items go for what the market shows they will go for... yes I bid $63.00 on a Dungeon 1 ... but someone wanted it more than me and paid more... as they should have... Currently they are worth more... not $150+ in my book, but hey.. I won't argue if they go that high...

Since when do you get to the sole determiner of market value is and who put you to be the one in charge of making sure it stays that way???? You just proved my point from above about "protecting your investment". Aside from that, until you adopted the "beat me or buy it" from hostile market attack in the last 6 months, Dungeon Magazine #1's were were regularly going for $30 to $35. Only in the last 6 months have they been going for more than that. Must be purely coincidental....

ScketreWhisp wrote:As to Dragon Mags... yes on any Dragon 1-5 you will probably see me bid a very premium price, why, because I KNOW I can sell every single one I buy for higher than the price I am willing to pay... so don't expect to see Dragon 1-5 drop any time soon.

You just totally invalidated your own previous point from above with this remark....

ScketreWhisp wrote:I just sold #5 in VF-NM for $139.00 and a Dragon #1 for $339.00 a few days before that... so I'll pay $330.00 for the same condition copy and resell it for a $9.00 profit... works for me... and in that case I would be "selling it for a small profit" which, in your book, is okay (and make a $34.00 donation to the Aceaum in the end and some how I don't think I would have made a dime).

Well I have been occasionally monitoring your store and the stuff you have listed is moving about as fast as molasses in January. Beyond that, your continuous jacking up bids is self fulfilling, and again its intentionally being done to "protect your investment". People come along and they see that "one" just went for $300 and think that because of that your price isn't too bad, except they dont realize that until you hit the scene 6 months ago, they were going for around $200 give or take and the reason the most recent one went for that much is a direct result of your own bids jacking it up that high. Additionally, since I am not stupid nor am I some n00b who just hit the scene and I know how much(with the exception of perhaps one of them) you actually paid for the ones that you currently have in your store, your numbers are very off for how much you are actually profitting( and I will prove this if I must). The fact that you are fudging your numbers to try and pass it off as profiting less, speaks volumes upon volumes.

ScketreWhisp wrote:Which brings up a small point, I don't see Creep1962/Cougarrinard making donations to the site in an form, so I am very unlike them.

Another unsubstantiated claim. Even if it is in fact 100% factual, I don't really care because it has absolutely nothing to do with your attack on the market. Its comparing apples and oranges. You are doing exactly what Cougarrinard did with H1 and Creep1962 tried to do with a litany of other items, your "supposed" donations to the site don't change that fact, not 1 iota as a matter of fact your hostility to the market in the name of your "supposed" Acaeum donations puts the impartiallity of this site towards the values it hosts seriously in question.

ScketreWhisp wrote:If you are aggravated that a Dungeon 1 is selling too high, I'll sell you one of mine for a more reasonable price if you need it, your are an Acaeum member and I sell stuff to members at a lower rate, just ask.

I don't need 1, I already have 2, but this part brings me to 2 more extremly important points:

1) First off, why if I(or anyone else for that matter) don't have one, do I(they) have to beat you on one at a jacked up rate or if they don't, they have to buy one from you to get it? Why is it that everyone now has have to meet your price or do without???

2) Secondly, is this favor going to cost me as much as the H module favor(s) cost Center Stage Hobbies and Swarmy1? Since I know for a fact exactly what you did and how much you profitted on those deals that were claimed as "favors"? One thing I can I assure you it wasn't $9....

With the exception of the the Mono Inverness that you won a few months ago, there isn't anything that you have that I don't at least own one copy of, if not more. See your actions don't piss me off because they have an affect on me, quite the contrary. It pisses me off because your actions drive away some of the lower end cost folks who game/collect and also potentially force out new collectors/gamers when the see a hostile market. Thats why I care.

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:16 pm

Believe what you will 'B', I am just stating facts.

I am not determining what the current value is, the buyers are.. if they bid more than me, then their bid determined the value, not mine, anyone could have stopped at $35.00 and I'd be stuck with multiple copies.. you give me way too much credit.

My point about the Dragons is that I will bid what I feel they are worth if I want to buy it and sell it for $10-$50 profit... even if it's only $10... I purchased 4-5 Dragon 1s over the last few months because like stocks.. I KNEW they would go up with the end of the printing of Dragon Mag around the corner... and with the Dragon 1s, it paid off... I paid $157.00 for one, $267.00 for another so yes, I got some good money on a few Dragon 1s... yet I still sit on 3 .... so have I made anything yet ???

Moving as fast as molasses... damn, I need to increase the prices then, they are moving too fast... I have a store with items and more on the way for whatever unknown reason... (I just paid $1000.00 for a lot of stuff I don't even know what or if it's really worth) I was never in the eBay D&D store market until someone I know started talkin' smack to begin with... I really do not care if or when my items sell... it's good when they do and no big deal when they don't, I don't do this for a living, it's a hobby.

As to the donations, unless FoulFoot wants to stick his 2 cents in and confirm, not much I can do there since PayPal transactions and emails of same can easily be doctored when posted in a forum. I will only say I have made 10 donations to the site, amounts vary based on the last set of sales.. which reminds me I need to make one for the PotVQ sale I made that was not via eBay, so it will be 11 donations momentarily. My point was you like to compare me to others that aren't even close.. some of that apples to oranges thing you mentioned...

And the sale to CSH and Smarmy1, I took the items off the eBay store, used the Acaeum prices only and then made sure they were okay with the items and totals before we agreed... and they were less than in the store, didn't say I did or didn't make money on the items... and I wasn't the one worried about "selling it for a small profit".. those were your words... anyone should want to make the most profit they can... hello.. it's capitalism... a free market...

This is what I sold to CSH:
TSR Module H4 - Good 20.00
TSR Module H3 - Fine 35.00
TSR Silver Anniv Set SW    150.00
Core Rules & Expansion no box    75.00
Dragon Mag Archive - no box 75.00

OCE - Shrink + all supplements 360.00
Greyhawk - F
Blackmoor - F
Eldritch Wizardry -F
Gods, Demi-Gods, & Heroes - F
Swords & Spells - F

This is the item to SMarmy:
TSR Module H1 - SW    150.00

(note: I paid $195.95 for the H1, H2, H3 & H4 from Creep1962)... I sold all but the H2 in these 2 transactions... so 150+20+35 = 205... just got my money back with an H2 left to sell... yep I raked the Acaeum members over the coals)

I don't think those prices were way out of line, and if they were, I would leave that up to them to tell me they were too high. And since I have owned the OCE Shrink and all the supplements for over 15+ years and the Silver Aniv I bought new, you have no clue if I made a nickel on those items (cept the Shrink Silver Aniv since I paid retail when I bought it)

You seem to get your feathers all up about stuff... will anyone raise cane if you ever decide to sell that $7.00 Chainmail for more than $10.00 ??? heck $14.00 would be a 100% profit and a low end price of $28.00 would be 400% profit... I am not sure we could live with that

(disclaimer: I saw the $7.00 purchase when it happened as a BIN, I THINK it was a Chainmail, heck it could have been an OCE for all I remember... I just know it was cents on the dollar for the actual value of the item)

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