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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:32 pm 
 

Wait for the yellow card and go back to him with the compromise (i.e. partial refund) and ... hope it is a honest and reliable seller...

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:36 pm 
 

Just e-mailed him about the idea for a partial refund. I'll let you know what happens.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:44 pm 
 

that picture included in the auction is fairly large and clear and does not bear out anything that you are saying.


Just to follow up on this comment: The picture had the box set upside down, with the modules on the bottom. I don't think it is possible, from the picture provided, to even see the module wear let alone the tear in the shrinkwrap along the bottom that enabled the books to fall out. The caving on the box is on the bottom side, where the modules were sitting.

If the set was totally sealed, then the crushing damage wouldn't be that big of a deal (I mean who could tell the box was imploding a bit?). But the set is not sealed, and so with the books out the caving is very noticeable. Off hand, I'd say the box is in at best very good to fine condition as a result (though still in its own shrink).

  

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:00 pm 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:Okay, I just got the set from Tom (10th Anniversary Boot Hill). I'm very disappointed because the shrink has been torn off, so all the modules fall out. Moreover, BH4 isn't even shrinkwrapped. The box set has been crushed a bit. It didn't even have the yellow card, although he says he'll mail it to me.

I told him I'd like to mail it back for a refund, although I could probably break even by selling it piecemeal (I figure I could get $30 for the box, $35 for range war, etc). Conversely, I could keep it and include my own extra shrinked BH4 for the set.

I'd like anyone's two cents on this one. It surely wasn't as in the condition described in the auction.


I had a bad feeling about this the minute I saw the photo with no yellow card visible.....all kinds of warning bells went off, because if you are selling a anniversary set the ONE thing you want to make sure everyone sees is the proof! (the yellow card!). So this development doesn't completely shock me....that and not taking paypal kept me far away from it, even though I was interested.
  STS, I really think you could piece this out and still make out ok. But you are right, it's a lot of work to simply get back what you already spent. Still, if he never refunds you, you might have to take that route. I don't know if the guy made an honest mistake, or if he just chose to ignore some glaring flaws, but he does owe you a refund if it's not as described.  
  On top of this, we can all make mistakes, but if he shipped it like you said, that's pretty unforgivable.  For something that valuable at least buy a decent shipping box. One of my pet peeves is spending $100+ with a seller and either A. Having everything just dumped in a box with no padding or package material; or B. Having the module/book put inside something that isn't even a real container but something they "made" using pieces of cardboard recycled from the trash bin.  I can accept that if the item is a $4 paperback, but not $100 in magazines or whatever...

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:19 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:
It is virtually impossible for him to have missed what you described as being the case if he was looking that closely at the item to have been able to list those flaws, so you are essentially saying that he lied in his desciption and yet the picture he is used seems to back up his auction description.   Personally I think that you are FOS....


I think the photo pretty much backs up STS...if the yellow card isn't present, the set was opened.  Plus the shrink on the set looks non-standard....to my eyes, it looks like some plastic wrapped around the box is all.  The seller has already admitted the card isn't present.  If not true, then why on earth not show the yellow card on the auction photo?  That's what the porn industry likes to call the "money shot".  It would be like selling a white box and taking a photo of the back instead of the front so you can't tell if it's an OCE or an earlier printing.  I had my suspicions about this from the start...that photo was the chief reason.  It never did pass the "smell" test....

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:24 pm 
 

I had a bad feeling about this the minute I saw the photo with no yellow card visible.....all kinds of warning bells went off, because if you are selling a anniversary set the ONE thing you want to make sure everyone sees is the proof! (the yellow card!). So this development doesn't completely shock me....that and not taking paypal kept me far away from it, even though I was interested.


My thought process was (like how Brian perceived it after the fact) that as long as I get the boxset shrinked (which I don't think this edition is available otherwise), BH5 shrinked and BH4 shrinked, then that pays for my bid pretty much right there.

With respect to the yellow card, it could have been that it was on the bottom of the set and so not visible (though I think my GW one is on top). Or, perhaps the yellow card wasn't with it and the shrink was genuine, meaning the set might just not have come with one or that it fell between the modules when it was originally packaged.

The problem is BH4 is not in the shrink, nor is it in good condition, and nor is the set bound together in shrink. Moreover, the box is not in "nearly perfect condition".

On top of this, we can all make mistakes, but if he shipped it like you said, that's pretty unforgivable.  For something that valuable at least buy a decent shipping box.


Yeah I'd really like to know what the heck was going on here. He seemed like a pretty reputable seller.

Supposedly he doesn't have the yellow card from this set, but his friend has one (?!). How does that happen? Also, I do think this is the 10th anniversary set because I don't think this boxset was available separately (I recall an auction a few years back selling it individually, but they mentioned that it came from a 10th anniversary set). Of course, please let me know if I'm completely wrong with that assessment.

My best guess is that the set is legit. The seller is probably selling his friend's old BH 10th anniversary set, but was not told of its past use (i.e. opened condition, opened BH4) and how the yellow card dropped out as a result. The thing was probably at his friend's house when he put together the item's description. Alternatively, the seller actually possessed it, but just held on to it for a second or two in a dark room (I'm trying to presume the best of intentions).

What further adds to its legitimacy, in my opinion, is the extra referee's screen in shrink. Funny enough, I do think that smells of a TSR screw up.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:35 pm 
 

the yellow card isn't present, the set was opened.  Plus the shrink on the set looks non-standard....to my eyes, it looks like some plastic wrapped around the box is all.  The seller has already admitted the card isn't present.  If not true, then why on earth not show the yellow card on the auction photo?


I think Brian is questioning my motives (that is, the set is in fact in sweet condition or something). I can't really sway him other than by trying to present my perspective and to question the relevance of the evidence he's trying to hold against me.

But I think you're probably right, Mike. These sets should have the yellow tag on the top. I was just hoping, I guess, that the seller was correct in his description about the set being in shrink. If that was the case, then the card either was tucked away elsewhere, or that this set just didn't come with one. Either that or the yellow card found its way to the bottom, and the seller just wasn't aware of its selling point and took a photo of the top instead..

  

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:08 pm 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:
Yeah I'd really like to know what the heck was going on here. He seemed like a pretty reputable seller.

Supposedly he doesn't have the yellow card from this set, but his friend has one (?!). How does that happen? Also, I do think this is the 10th anniversary set because I don't think this boxset was available separately (I recall an auction a few years back selling it individually, but they mentioned that it came from a 10th anniversary set). Of course, please let me know if I'm completely wrong with that assessment.

My best guess is that the set is legit. The seller is probably selling his friend's old BH 10th anniversary set, but was not told of its past use (i.e. opened condition, opened BH4) and how the yellow card dropped out as a result. The thing was probably at his friend's house when he put together the item's description. Alternatively, the seller actually possessed it, but just held on to it for a second or two in a dark room (I'm trying to presume the best of intentions).

What further adds to its legitimacy, in my opinion, is the extra referee's screen in shrink. Funny enough, I do think that smells of a TSR screw up.


Yeh, I can see that.  I've had selling a friend's items go horribly wrong.  Which is why to this day I don't sell anything I don't have in my own hands....friends who aren't as serious about collecting tend to have little or no sense of "Mint", "Near Mint", "Very Good", "Beat to Hell", whatever.  Much less remember or even bothering to check if all the original contents are there or in the best condition.  Looking at this feedback, that's probably the case.  Hopefully it will work out.  

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:30 pm 
 

The 10th Anniversary Set in all its glory:

Looks nice:

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Um. Not so nice:

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If you look hard you can see the imploded bottom side. There's some caving on the top as well. Its not terrible by any stretch, but very far from "perfect".

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The shrink that is supposed to hold the set together is pretty crinkly, but aside from the gapping hole still holds together fine.

BH4 exposed to a rabid dog:

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And then left in the sun:

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:48 pm 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:The 10th Anniversary Set in all its glory:


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You know what I find absolutely fascinating is the fact that your picture here shows 8 items and yet in the auction description there are only seven items included in the set:

"Included in this Bonus Pack is The Boot Hill Game, BH Screen & Mini Module, BH1 Mad Mesa, BH2 Lost Conquistador Mine, BH3 Ballots & Bullets, BH4 Burned Bush Wells and BH5 Range War"


hmmm....


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:59 pm 
 

Yup! An extra Referee Screen was included! [c.f. previous posts in thread] Probably a TSR screwup, but it certainly added to the crushing wear on the box.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:27 pm 
 

You know it's quite possible that these items were packed into the 10th anniversary set in the condition they are currently in.  If I recall , these items were essentially overstock and could have been already been opened prior to being reshrinkwrapped.  I've even heard of examples where the 10 anniversary insert was not present.

Of course it could be a sham too...

  


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:39 pm 
 

You know it's quite possible that these items were packed into the 10th anniversary set in the condition they are currently in.  If I recall , these items were essentially overstock and could have been already been opened prior to being reshrinkwrapped.  I've even hreard of examples where the 10 anniversary insert was not present.

Of course it could be a sham too...


Thanks for the feedback. It does look like the chewing of the BH4 was systematic, like from a printing machine or something, and not wear from general use from play. Also, the shrink on all these things are legit, including the boxset.. so it may well have come this way from TSR. In fact they may have tossed in an extra referee's screen to make up for the opened BH4 (!).

In any case, the overall set was supposed to be factory sealed (and "near perfect condition") when I bought it... and well, it wasn't. I'll update when I hear back from the seller.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:16 pm 
 

dbartman wrote:You know it's quite possible that these items were packed into the 10th anniversary set in the condition they are currently in.  If I recall , these items were essentially overstock and could have been already been opened prior to being reshrinkwrapped.  I've even hreard of examples where the 10 anniversary insert was not present.

Of course it could be a sham too...


This is how the Role Aids sell off packages by Mayfair are put together as well.

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Post Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:14 pm 
 

Just an update: It's been two weeks and I haven't heard anything from the guy. That's a pretty wacky way to do business.

I actually called him up and only got an answering machine. Anyone know Tom or live in upstate NY :)

Looks like I'll be stuck with the set.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:06 pm 
 

Another update:

Tom mailed me the yellow tag and $20 to compensate for the shrink being torn off.

Still disappointed that it's not totally in shrink, but it's good to know he pulled through with the goodies to make the set complete. BH4 is out of shrink, but it has to be a TSR packaging error given the sort of wear on it and the inclusion of the extra shrinked screen, and so that little quirk makes it a wash in my book.

I'm in the process of picking up the Gangbuster set.. but I'm having him forward me more detailed pictures first :)

  
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