Just e-mailed him about the idea for a partial refund. I'll let you know what happens.

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:Okay, I just got the set from Tom (10th Anniversary Boot Hill). I'm very disappointed because the shrink has been torn off, so all the modules fall out. Moreover, BH4 isn't even shrinkwrapped. The box set has been crushed a bit. It didn't even have the yellow card, although he says he'll mail it to me.

I told him I'd like to mail it back for a refund, although I could probably break even by selling it piecemeal (I figure I could get $30 for the box, $35 for range war, etc). Conversely, I could keep it and include my own extra shrinked BH4 for the set.

I'd like anyone's two cents on this one. It surely wasn't as in the condition described in the auction.

I had a bad feeling about this the minute I saw the photo with no yellow card visible.....all kinds of warning bells went off, because if you are selling a anniversary set the ONE thing you want to make sure everyone sees is the proof! (the yellow card!). So this development doesn't completely shock me....that and not taking paypal kept me far away from it, even though I was interested.
  STS, I really think you could piece this out and still make out ok. But you are right, it's a lot of work to simply get back what you already spent. Still, if he never refunds you, you might have to take that route. I don't know if the guy made an honest mistake, or if he just chose to ignore some glaring flaws, but he does owe you a refund if it's not as described.  
  On top of this, we can all make mistakes, but if he shipped it like you said, that's pretty unforgivable.  For something that valuable at least buy a decent shipping box. One of my pet peeves is spending $100+ with a seller and either A. Having everything just dumped in a box with no padding or package material; or B. Having the module/book put inside something that isn't even a real container but something they "made" using pieces of cardboard recycled from the trash bin.  I can accept that if the item is a $4 paperback, but not $100 in magazines or whatever...

Mike B.

I had a bad feeling about this the minute I saw the photo with no yellow card visible.....all kinds of warning bells went off, because if you are selling a anniversary set the ONE thing you want to make sure everyone sees is the proof! (the yellow card!). So this development doesn't completely shock me....that and not taking paypal kept me far away from it, even though I was interested.

My thought process was (like how Brian perceived it after the fact) that as long as I get the boxset shrinked (which I don't think this edition is available otherwise), BH5 shrinked and BH4 shrinked, then that pays for my bid pretty much right there.

With respect to the yellow card, it could have been that it was on the bottom of the set and so not visible (though I think my GW one is on top). Or, perhaps the yellow card wasn't with it and the shrink was genuine, meaning the set might just not have come with one or that it fell between the modules when it was originally packaged.

The problem is BH4 is not in the shrink, nor is it in good condition, and nor is the set bound together in shrink. Moreover, the box is not in "nearly perfect condition".

On top of this, we can all make mistakes, but if he shipped it like you said, that's pretty unforgivable.  For something that valuable at least buy a decent shipping box.

Yeah I'd really like to know what the heck was going on here. He seemed like a pretty reputable seller.

Supposedly he doesn't have the yellow card from this set, but his friend has one (?!). How does that happen? Also, I do think this is the 10th anniversary set because I don't think this boxset was available separately (I recall an auction a few years back selling it individually, but they mentioned that it came from a 10th anniversary set). Of course, please let me know if I'm completely wrong with that assessment.

My best guess is that the set is legit. The seller is probably selling his friend's old BH 10th anniversary set, but was not told of its past use (i.e. opened condition, opened BH4) and how the yellow card dropped out as a result. The thing was probably at his friend's house when he put together the item's description. Alternatively, the seller actually possessed it, but just held on to it for a second or two in a dark room (I'm trying to presume the best of intentions).

What further adds to its legitimacy, in my opinion, is the extra referee's screen in shrink. Funny enough, I do think that smells of a TSR screw up.

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:
Yeah I'd really like to know what the heck was going on here. He seemed like a pretty reputable seller.

Supposedly he doesn't have the yellow card from this set, but his friend has one (?!). How does that happen? Also, I do think this is the 10th anniversary set because I don't think this boxset was available separately (I recall an auction a few years back selling it individually, but they mentioned that it came from a 10th anniversary set). Of course, please let me know if I'm completely wrong with that assessment.

My best guess is that the set is legit. The seller is probably selling his friend's old BH 10th anniversary set, but was not told of its past use (i.e. opened condition, opened BH4) and how the yellow card dropped out as a result. The thing was probably at his friend's house when he put together the item's description. Alternatively, the seller actually possessed it, but just held on to it for a second or two in a dark room (I'm trying to presume the best of intentions).

What further adds to its legitimacy, in my opinion, is the extra referee's screen in shrink. Funny enough, I do think that smells of a TSR screw up.

Yeh, I can see that.  I've had selling a friend's items go horribly wrong.  Which is why to this day I don't sell anything I don't have in my own hands....friends who aren't as serious about collecting tend to have little or no sense of "Mint", "Near Mint", "Very Good", "Beat to Hell", whatever.  Much less remember or even bothering to check if all the original contents are there or in the best condition.  Looking at this feedback, that's probably the case.  Hopefully it will work out.  

Mike B.

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:The 10th Anniversary Set in all its glory:


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You know what I find absolutely fascinating is the fact that your picture here shows 8 items and yet in the auction description there are only seven items included in the set:

"Included in this Bonus Pack is The Boot Hill Game, BH Screen & Mini Module, BH1 Mad Mesa, BH2 Lost Conquistador Mine, BH3 Ballots & Bullets, BH4 Burned Bush Wells and BH5 Range War"


hmmm....

You know it's quite possible that these items were packed into the 10th anniversary set in the condition they are currently in.  If I recall , these items were essentially overstock and could have been already been opened prior to being reshrinkwrapped.  I've even heard of examples where the 10 anniversary insert was not present.

Of course it could be a sham too...

dbartman wrote:You know it's quite possible that these items were packed into the 10th anniversary set in the condition they are currently in.  If I recall , these items were essentially overstock and could have been already been opened prior to being reshrinkwrapped.  I've even hreard of examples where the 10 anniversary insert was not present.

Of course it could be a sham too...

This is how the Role Aids sell off packages by Mayfair are put together as well.

Another update:

Tom mailed me the yellow tag and $20 to compensate for the shrink being torn off.

Still disappointed that it's not totally in shrink, but it's good to know he pulled through with the goodies to make the set complete. BH4 is out of shrink, but it has to be a TSR packaging error given the sort of wear on it and the inclusion of the extra shrinked screen, and so that little quirk makes it a wash in my book.

I'm in the process of picking up the Gangbuster set.. but I'm having him forward me more detailed pictures first