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Post Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:24 pm 
 

Asking on behalf of the owner (who is not me)...

How much would you guess that the Original Cover Art for Rahasia (actually slightly different, before TSR production got a hold of it) would bring at open auction amongst well-informed game collectors like yourselves?

How about the interior art originals?


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:33 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:Asking on behalf of the owner (who is not me)...

How much would you guess that the Original Cover Art for Rahasia (actually slightly different, before TSR production got a hold of it) would bring at open auction amongst well-informed game collectors like yourselves?

How about the interior art originals?


(Would you rather let SouthwickSW buy 'em and resell 'em at a profit?)  :evil:

Heh.  At the risk of sounding glib, we're D&D appraisers (if we're even that!), not art appraisers.  It's really tough to say what it's worth.  It's a very nice piece, regardless of the ties to our hobby.

In my opinion, it would go for less than the Keith Parkinson GDQ1-7 (current with a BIN of $9000), if it were a painting, just the "popularity contest" factor.  Is the artist well known?  That'll help too.

What medium is the piece?  It's hard to tell from the Acaeum photo, and I don't own the module.  Prints/drawings would sell for significantly less than large full-color oil paintings.  I can't see it going significantly less than $1000, if the "big guns" display any interest.  I'm not sure that being a major D&D collector necessarily equates to being a major D&D art collector, though...it may be a different set of folks entirely.

Interior originals?  Probably sub-$500, but again it depends on the familiarity of the artist, the quality of the piece.  Maybe well below, maybe crazy-high, one never knows.  I might take a stab at something if it stays in my price range...but that's unlikely.  :wink:

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:47 pm 
 

Darlene, the problem is that D&D art is highly subjective. I am not personally interested at all in it, but I think as a rule of thumb, MOST people would be at least mildly interested in well-known art, such as DMG or PHB pictures. The Rahasia cover would probably only fetch a high price from someone who either had a great interest in the Rahasia module, or one of the very few people who actively collect D&D art. These people do exist, but I don't think they frequent the Acaeum nearly as often as RPG collectors.
What it really comes to is this: If someone has $1,500 to spend, does he spend it on cover art for Rahasia or a tourney Ghost Tower? For the vast majority of people here, there is no debate.


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:53 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote: If someone has $1,500 to spend, does he spend it on cover art for Rahasia or a tourney Ghost Tower? For the vast majority of people here, there is no debate.


It'd definitely be the Rahasia cover.  :wink:

I just noticed yesterday the Nobleknight finally sold the Roslof Dungeon! cover...it was listed at $2000. I think it was still there last week or the week before. It had been up on the website for a number of months.

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:33 am 
 

The forums at http://www.munchkinpress.com would be a good place to appraise TSR art but I'll hazard a guess here.  It looks like a black 'n white ink or pencil which usually sell for less than a color oil on canvas painting.  On the other hand, it's for a good, rare module which will bring up interest, and it's just a nice-looking piece.  I like the RPGA cover painting of Rahasia much better than the oil on canvas B7 version, which sold for $2,000 on Noble Knight about a year ago.  
I'd guess this version would go for $1,500, and that's what I'd offer for it.  Contact me if the selling party is interested.   :D

  


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:10 am 
 

What is the size of the cover art?

I think the cover art could Ebay for around 3K if the work is large enough and isn't too- "slightly different".

I'd bid near that amount and guess that some other Art collectors would as well. I paid slightly more for B-9 and although this is a drawing, it's a very cool drawing :wink:

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:28 am 
 

The size is certainly a determining factor.  It could go for $3,000 though I would have originally doubted it, on the other hand the price point of D&D art is trending upward fast.  
B9 is a Caldwell so $3,000 is about right, though Caldwell sells quite a few D&D art pieces on his site for $2,500.  
Is Darlene the cover artist for RPGA1?  
Interior art is highly variable in price depending on size and content though $250 to $800 is probably about right.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:05 am 
 

Not Caldwells best stuff (available on his site).


Rahasia is one of the better early Covers. I'd pay/bid about what I said...
(assuming it's in good shape and a good sized image...)

  


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:23 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:Asking on behalf of the owner (who is not me)...

How much would you guess that the Original Cover Art for Rahasia (actually slightly different, before TSR production got a hold of it) would bring at open auction amongst well-informed game collectors like yourselves?

How about the interior art originals?


Put it up on ebay and find out what they are really worth. No? Speculation is fun but unreliable with unique items.

$1500-+3000+ for a pencil is pretty salty vs a full colored oils. But you never know. Early first edition cover originals are few and far in between.


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:40 pm 
 

scribe wrote:Early first edition cover originals are few and far in between.


An important factor, imho. Elmore/Caldwell/Easley/Parkinson items are out there by the dozen... very nice stuff, great detail, but a lot of quantity too, which affects the perception and hence the demand.

Art from the prior period, before TSR "upgraded" their art, may be less slick but has its own appeal and is certainly rarer. Witness the continued popularity of Erol Otus, frex. Unique style, that.

In 2 weeks we'll see how the Bell artwork for the original Greyhawk booklet 'Mr. Pumpkinhead' Bugbear fares at GenCon... bold, primitive strokes, not polished at all, plain ol' black & white (well, grayscale really), but unique and historic.

Darlene's art is much better than that, as art. And much of it is nearly as historic.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:07 pm 
 

Oh, I don't know. Pretty sizable difference between OD&D cover art and pre-FabFour first edition stuff in terms of importance from my perspective. Quality of the work isn't as much a factor as the profile of item they adorn, me thinks. So I would be surprised if the sale of one becomes a benchmark for the other.

Both are hallmark pieces of arguable stature and rare as hensteeth as is anything is pre1983. I have seen nothing available from Darlene so it is cool to see what will surface.

btw, I sent her a pm sometime ago after she signed up and apparently after she stopped logging in. Another TSRite had asked if she was still around somewhere a while back and I would like to help connect them.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:50 am 
 

Besides the, I believe, one ink of an unused piece of art for the Monster Manual auctioned here by the burntwire brothers, I have never seen any Erol Otus pieces for sale.  I imagine there would be a bidding frenzy on any of his originals that saw publication in a TSR product.  I'd shoot the moon for the cover to A4, or even any of the interior art he did for it.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:42 am 
 

I hear ya on the otus. I think plenty of people would shoot the moon for B3 erol as well. I could see spending a lot more for erol mushroom interior pencils than Darlene's exterior piece for discussion here. I feel strongly about this. Why? It is not necessarily more rare as Darlene's work hasn't been in circulation either...yet. I guess it just embodies a certain value because of what it is and by whom so much as the product it illustrated?

Some pieces have a more significant value when attached to certain products. Hence the theory of importance regarding the Bell piece for OD&D. Lets say for example, Larry Elmore's Dragons of Autumn Twilight novel cover. It is from later 1e items and is a novel cover no less. But -my oh my- if this ever come up for auction. Move over Darlene and Bell!


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:59 am 
 

Those Otus myconid drawings are just awesome.  Mushroom men sound ridiculous until you see the way Otus drew them.
Trampier inks and pencils would be awesome as well... I can't imagine how much Emirikol the Chaotic would go for at auction.  
Does anyone remember how much the DCS Paladin in Hell from the PHB went for?

  


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:38 am 
 

VermilionFire wrote:Does anyone remember how much the DCS Paladin in Hell from the PHB went for?


$1,136.75

Gosh I should be in bed. But I was reading through all that stuff from a couple of years past now. I was reading that there was quite a bit of artwork in possession of Sutherland's family that was gonna be sold at auction. But very little was offered up from my memory. Any chance this stuff will come up if it still exists or did exist to the extent of my reading comprehension?


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:06 am 
 

scribe wrote: Quality of the work isn't as much a factor as the profile of item they adorn, me thinks.


These are very true words - I mean it is really nostalgia driving this.

For example, if someone was to sell the old PHB cover picture it would go for a goodly price, but not because of its artistic merit.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:45 am 
 

I'd bet the DCS Paladin in Hell would go for more now breaking $1500.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:11 am 
 

Ah, this is where saturation plays into the overall price of items along with some more thoughts on nostalgia and novelty.

There is only so much cash out there guys are willing to dedicate to Darlene and Sutherland for that matter. In spite of the fact of rarity of early 1e stuff, you can easily and continuously dedicate a lot of cash continually towards opportunities to buy this stuff.
Lets say Sutherland's estate finally pulls together his portfolio and puts them up for auction in a dedicated manner. (I am assuming there was more than 4 or so pieces that made it to market). Well, I don't think the DMG cover value would be impacted in a downward manner at all. But some of the ink interiors pieces would not sustain a high 3 figure price much less experience a four figure spike ala Paladin in Hell. Maybe the Paladin value would flatten out as a result?

Same thing for Darlene. Maybe she has quite a few interiors in pencil, etc. Not all are worth several hundred dollars. Maybe if only a single piece in existence if it is recognizable enough but not so if there are several in circulation. For example, I would really like to own a Darlene original and would pay goodly within reason to do so. But if I could chose, I would prefer that others do the spending and I will be patient for a bargain.

Take Roslof for example. Quite a bit of his stuff survived the purge somehow and it all remained in his hands, by and large. I think he still has quite a bit of his inks left. I have had a terrible time motivating him to document and sell but that is a different story. But you can fairly readily find his inks around. So saturation sort of helps temper their value when nostalgia isn't taking over.

Nostalgia is a very important factor to me with Paladin in Hell. Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $800 for the Paladin in Hell. And clearly I will never own this piece as I am certain guys would pay more than that amount for it. This is mostly because it doesn't really mean a lot to me as I didn't really play the game enough to actually had looked at the DMG interior so frequently. I am guessing this is why guys connect so readily to this piece as it isn't nearly as fluid as Otus and Trampy inks from the same publications, imho.

So finally I get around to the novelty of this sale which is what I think will drive it's initial pricing. To me, if Darlene were to ask me how much I am willing to spend on the Rahasia pencil, I would offer no more than $1,200. Like Paladin in Hell, I am certain I will not own this. I just think the newness of availability would create a bidding frenzy that I feel won't be matched if the buyer would need to resell the item shortly down the road. In other words, I don't believe $3k now can be realized in open market again for some time by anyone other than Darlene. Unless, of course, they have access to the spell 'Burntwire's Aura of Preciousness'. :wink:
To me, a Frazetta pencil is worth a few thousand dollars, not anything attached to TSR.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:32 am 
 

scribe wrote: Some pieces have a more significant value when attached to certain products. Hence the theory of importance regarding the Bell piece for OD&D. Lets say for example, Larry Elmore's Dragons of Autumn Twilight novel cover. It is from later 1e items and is a novel cover no less. But -my oh my- if this ever come up for auction. Move over Darlene and Bell!


I think if Darlene's original Greyhawk maps (the ones from the folio/box set) suddenly appeared, they'd go pretty high.

red_bus wrote:For example, if someone was to sell the old PHB cover picture it would go for a goodly price, but not because of its artistic merit.


*chokes*

I think I know what you meant, but I feel it has more artistic merit than anything since...

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:14 am 
 

I'm fairly sure Gary still has the original PHB painting.

I wonder if Erol's values will drop since he's doing covers for Goodman? Or just the opposite, visibility and all that?

But since Tramp abandoned the scene and won't be back, his rare items (of unique and higher quality) should go 'way up. I, for one, will be in there swinging.

  
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