Kaskoid wrote:I can sell the "mish-mash" books singly if the box is trash. or throw in the old woodgrain.

First bit of advice: Listen to everything faro says.  He's rarely wrong on this stuff.
Second bit of advice:  If you have a woodgrain box floating around, it's worth money on its own, with or without books.  Big money.

deimos3428 wrote:First bit of advice: Listen to everything faro says.  He's rarely wrong on this stuff.

We collectors are a fickle bunch, though: sometimes never know when people are going to go very high (erm, Paul's late 1st print, for example ) or very low (like that very nice 2nd U&WA Stephen picked up for <$20).

i dont know what OCE stands for either....guessing its Original Collectors Edition?

Al

killjoy32 wrote:i dont know what OCE stands for either....guessing its Original Collectors Edition?

Al

Bingo.

Kaskoid wrote:

U&WA page 14: 5th, pic titled Nazgul; 6th/7th, untitled. From the color on the cover, if it's a 6th/7th my money's with 6th.

Titled Nazgul... it is.

Kaskoid wrote:

6th ends with Dragon and Complete Catalog

OK, it does...

So that other set of books is 5/3/6, then. Interesting mix!

Not so happy if that means someone has walked-off with your original set, though... Happened to me, too.

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Kaskoid wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does OCE stand for?

Yup, the collectors edition (6th/7th) with the red "starburst" on the cover of the box ( => http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/setpage ... oxoce.html ).
Those are common compared with a non-OCE box (so a beat-up non-OCE isn't a write-off, IMO).

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Kaskoid wrote:OK, the pure set of 4ths in good box, remainder in broken box, and woodgrain by itself.

Sounds best to me.

Kaskoid wrote:Which ref sheets go where?

I think you have the correct 4th sheets as displayed.
Those are unique to the 4th print owing to the way the correction page is "pasted" on the front -- and cannot be replaced by any other correction/ref sheet set.



One more question on the 4th print M&M:
Does it have an address label pasted over the address at the foot of the stock list?
I'm guessing there's a very good chance that since you have a "staff copy" that there might not be that label.
Working theory (judging by the purchase date and box) is that those were only missing on early copies, but there's only one copy known thus far, afaik.

If you're going to swap those white boxes around, it might be best to shout louder to let people know and add a bit more time on those two. Your call, of course.
But since I instigated this, I'd better post my offers on those in public so that it's clear I have no ulterior motive.

1) FINE non-OCE white box, 4/4/4 books, 4 sheets; $250 (or $300 if paste-over address label in M&M is absent)
2) FAIR non-OCE white box, 5/3/6 books, ?5/6 sheets; $60

Apologies for the delay: just back from a jog in the dunes after Al guilted me into doing so!

Kaskoid wrote:I seemed to "LOSE" a booklet or two just about every major con Tournament.

Kaskoid wrote:

I think you have the correct 4th sheets as displayed.
Those are unique to the 4th print owing to the way the correction page is "pasted" on the front -- and cannot be replaced by any other correction/ref sheet set.

Maybe not.
The "front" has errata only, LizMan logo, TSR Rules. That alone would make it older as "Rules" was used only a short time.

*nods*. Thanks for the check on that.

Kaskoid wrote:However, I believe the other set is older, much older. For one thing, it is on a light card stock, not paper like the other. For another, the publ. is listed as Tactical Sudies Rules. The back has Maps: Treasure tables; inside the front and back is one table called "The Monsters". This could very well be from my first set... It may be that this item should go separately.

It looks like a newer set of sheets, IMO.

The earliest have a separate "Corrections" sheet (not required in the later prints) and various differences in the text. The easiest of those would be the Tolkien refs, perhaps.
If you check on the monster list, do you have Balrogs between Dragons and Gargoyles, or is there a blank space?

I thought the use of "Tactical Studies Rules" on the sheets was a deliberate selling ploy, especially in the "Original Collectors Edition" (6th/7th) context

Kaskoid wrote:

Does it have an address label pasted over the address at the foot of the stock list?

Yes, it has label.

Ah...
Would've been good to see another set w/o the address label.

Kaskoid wrote:

If you check on the monster list, do you have Balrogs between Dragons and Gargoyles, or is there a blank space?

YES
What else would you like me to check? They may have been in my woodgrain--I don't remember.

Even if they weren't, they can't be very much newer than '81 'cause that's when I put this stuff up.

They'd be mid-76/mid-77: 5th print.

Sorry, I should have tightened up my wording: the 5th print ref sheets have that "new look" cover but will still have the Tolkien refs. The 6th/7th have the "new look" cover but without Tolkien refs.
(=> 6th print "Original Collectors Edition" in this auction, for example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8785995900 - just about readable for "Tactical Studies Rules".

The earlier (woodgrain) sheets had that separate correction sheet plus the ref sheets often had blank pages/sides and were in that earlier/not-so-easy-to-read font (as in that 3rd print M&T you have).

3rd print above; 5th print below

Kaskoid wrote:When I moved, I never DM'd again except a couple times in a little local con, and that wasn't any of my dungeons.

Ah... I didn't know that.

Kaskoid wrote:My old pack of gaming cronies didn't RPG very much. I was always a simulations/miniatures gamer hiding in the RPG forest.

I think it's fair to say that was the case for a lot of the people who were in there right at the start of modern RPGs.

Kaskoid wrote:I had a sand table, the whole thing. I still have more than 4400 microscale tanks and stuff in 1:285 scale. I love to play fantasy games; I quit RPGs when I left Wisconsin.

Careful; you'll have people asking whether you have a "woodgrain" set of Tractics in your collection, still!



Cheers,

David.

Kaskoid wrote:WOW!

Well, sure sounds like that was more fun than eBay for round one, anyhow?

Kaskoid wrote:Watching eBay rise over the week, and then the last hours... That is some substantial fun, too.

Most of the action is often in the last ten seconds for stuff around here.
But that just leads to a whole new game of "guess the sniper's target"!

Kaskoid wrote:Just not as personal.

*nod nods*. Agreed, Tim!