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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:01 pm 
 

faro wrote:Brian, yup, that's slap-bang on the GK2nd date. Will re-check, too.
red_bus wrote:...so is it a stupid question to thus ask - did Boot Hill come before D&D if it is listed here and D&D isn't? :)

Erm, you've got a 1st print Men & Magic. Check out the stock list :)

Ok, I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm not about to let that stop me.  I have free time and books to analyze to death! :)  I have a Greyhawk 2nd, and it looks almost like bclarkie's Boot Hill pic.  Except:

1. no ":Rules, Die-cut Counters, Board" text in 2nd War of Wizards line
2. 2nd line of "Classic Warfare" section not indented
3. "Milti-sided Dice Sets" (sic) italicized
4. "Percentile Dice Sets" italicized
5. "Watch for more..." line not centered, just indented.
6. The address lines have PO Box 756, are in all-caps, and have TSR Rules

I have no idea whether Boot Hill predated the 2nd GH or the other way around...the "corrected" Boot Hill page would make me think it came later, but the address seems to contradict this...

Regarding the 1st M&M, mine doesn't state either BH or BioOne.  :? Not sure what you're looking for there.

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:13 pm 
 

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faro wrote:Brian, yup, that's slap-bang on the GK2nd date. Will re-check, too.
red_bus wrote:...so is it a stupid question to thus ask - did Boot Hill come before D&D if it is listed here and D&D isn't? :)

Erm, you've got a 1st print Men & Magic. Check out the stock list :)

Ok, I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm not about to let that stop me. I have free time and books to analyze to death! :) I have a Greyhawk 2nd, and it looks almost like bclarkie's Boot Hill pic. Except:

1. no ":Rules, Die-cut Counters, Board" text in 2nd War of Wizards line
2. 2nd line of "Classic Warfare" section not indented
3. "Milti-sided Dice Sets" (sic) italicized
4. "Percentile Dice Sets" italicized
5. "Watch for more..." line not centered, just indented.
6. The address lines have PO Box 756, are in all-caps, and have TSR Rules

I have no idea whether Boot Hill predated the 2nd GH or the other way around...the "corrected" Boot Hill page would make me think it came later, but the address seems to contradict this...

Thanks for those checks! This division-of-labor lark is fun :)
Neat little differences, those.

deimos3428 wrote:Regarding the 1st M&M, mine doesn't state either BH or BioOne. :? Not sure what you're looking for there.

1st print D&D (1974) pre-dates Boot Hill (1975), thus no mention.
Indeed, the T1st Greyhawk pre-dates it, too ("Boot Hill... Coming Soon!").

Sorry, was just the observation that because Bio One had no mention of D&D...
My presumption is that that was because it was aimed at a different audience (which also tallies with the rest of the Bio One stock list).

  


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:13 pm 
 

I went back and looked for this thread:
http://www.acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2642&highlight=supplements

I'm thinking the Boot Hill picture is a "B."  Unfortunately, we don't have a firm date on "B." yet...  :?  All the more reason to hunt for a non-T1st GH.

The BioOne picture looks closer (different audience, yes, but we can draw some assumptions, at least) to "G."

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:46 am 
 

deimos3428 wrote:I'm thinking the Boot Hill picture is a "B." Unfortunately, we don't have a firm date on "B." yet... :? All the more reason to hunt for a non-T1st GH.

Good idea, but there's probably no such beastie, despite us listing a price for it; http://www.acaeum.com/DDIndexes/Rulebooks.html.

Yeah, against the SRs and everything else, that's right date-wise, but I didn't have the time to cross-check everything.

deimos3428 wrote:The BioOne picture looks closer (different audience, yes, but we can draw some assumptions, at least) to "G."

I think the multi-sided dice push the date way back (dice are one of the best measures I've found price-wise).
Hrmm... and I thought I deliberately went out and paid top-whack for a 3rd ELD (J; 7/77) to fill that date-gap. *to check*

  


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:07 am 
 

deimos3428 wrote:Regarding the 1st M&M, mine doesn't state either BH or BioOne. :? Not sure what you're looking for there.

1st print D&D (1974) pre-dates Boot Hill (1975), thus no mention.
Indeed, the T1st Greyhawk pre-dates it, too ("Boot Hill... Coming Soon!").

Sorry, was just the observation that because Bio One had no mention of D&D...
My presumption is that that was because it was aimed at a different audience (which also tallies with the rest of the Bio One stock list).[/quote]

Yup, you are of course correct - I got mysewlf confused when I saw the scan on this thread...

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:07 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:Anyone have any idea what one of these is going for now? I haven't seen a Bio One auctioned in ages. I'm thinking of selling my copy because it's well, it's not D&D and it's just gathering dust.

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Here's one that just ended at $38.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8756104911



Another one just starting at $4.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8757920344



And what's probably an accidental double listing

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8757920271

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:29 am 
 

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Another one just starting at $4.99
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8757920344

And what's probably an accidental double listing
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8757920271


Phyleb has a history of non-accidental double listings.  I haven't heard anyone complain (yet) that they don't actually have multiples.  Though I never heard the end of the "reprint" CA saga...  :?

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:43 am 
 

deimos3428 wrote:
NetRodent wrote:
Another one just starting at $4.99
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8757920344

And what's probably an accidental double listing
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8757920271

Phyleb has a history of non-accidental double listings. I haven't heard anyone complain (yet) that they don't actually have multiples. Though I never heard the end of the "reprint" CA saga... :?




i seem to remember a conversation quite some time ago about bio one - the 1st print has the price on the front. that was the same as the one i had (which doesnt)....



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still nice to get tho, specially at that price!



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Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:22 am 
 

NetRodent wrote:
Here's one that just ended at $38.95
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8756104911




i have to say - I had little idea what would be a competitive bid on this one - or even if it is that interesting - I just lobbed in a bid at a rough 'guess'.  Does anyone here track the price of this ?

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:32 am 
 

red_bus wrote:
NetRodent wrote:
Here's one that just ended at $38.95
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8756104911

i have to say - I had little idea what would be a competitive bid on this one - or even if it is that interesting - I just lobbed in a bid at a rough 'guess'. Does anyone here track the price of this ?


You should know by now that people can be a bit crazy with items "under the spotlight" and if someone says $20-40, then, hey $40 it is! :P



$15-20(?25) (per the previous page) was indeed the usual range.

There was also a not quite so good bookshop copy at $10 in the past few days which was meant to be being held for me (whilst obtaining a lower shipping quote than the $22 the computer tried to charge!), but I guess they decided otherwise. :)

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:40 am 
 

red_bus wrote:
NetRodent wrote:
Here's one that just ended at $38.95
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8756104911


i have to say - I had little idea what would be a competitive bid on this one - or even if it is that interesting - I just lobbed in a bid at a rough 'guess'. Does anyone here track the price of this ?




i remember selling a few. prb in the regions of $15-20, but then they dont come around that much either and i think its a great lil book.



  


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:33 pm 
 

faro wrote:
red_bus wrote:
NetRodent wrote:
Here's one that just ended at $38.95
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8756104911

i have to say - I had little idea what would be a competitive bid on this one - or even if it is that interesting - I just lobbed in a bid at a rough 'guess'. Does anyone here track the price of this ?

You should know by now that people can be a bit crazy with items "under the spotlight" and if someone says $20-40, then, hey $40 it is! :P

$15-20(?25) (per the previous page) was indeed the usual range.




Agreed there. Before this one, I don't think I have seen one yet go for more than $25-$30.


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:56 pm 
 

faro wrote:You should know by now that people can be a bit crazy with items "under the spotlight" and if someone says $20-40, then, hey $40 it is! :P

Hmmm.  Worth a shot.  "Woodgrain sets are worth $20-40".   :twisted:

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:04 pm 
 

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faro wrote:You should know by now that people can be a bit crazy with items "under the spotlight" and if someone says $20-40, then, hey $40 it is! :P

Hmmm. Worth a shot. "Woodgrain sets are worth $20-40".  :twisted:

Does that mean I overpaid at $50, Deimos? :?

(It works better when the numbers aim high, I've observed... ;)).

  

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:29 pm 
 

"Introduction

Bio One was created in 1974 to incorporate a degree of realism into a field of wargaming which was sorely lacking. Bio One provides a complete and accurate system of damage location and effects for any gunpowder period of warfare. Bio One will prove an interesting addition to any set of man-to-man rules which uses gun fire. Bio One may at first appear confusing, but by simply following the step-by-step procedure and trying a few sample applications, the system will be mastered in no time at all."

Materials

---Any set of man-to-man rules for a gunpowder period (i.e.; TSR's Boot Hill, etc)"

The mention of 1974 puts the original publication there, but there is no indication TSR was the first publisher. The mention of Boot Hill seems to refer to the original publication since it's also listed on the back cover.

Mike B.
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Here is the back cover w/stock list:

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Mike B.[/quote]

Just a note, I'm selling my copy for $30, this includes first class shipping but not priority shipping (that will be cost, $4.05,  if you are interested).  The condition is average, very worn but intact, this is the green cover version (above is the back cover products list).  Contact me by PM if you are interested and we'll set it up, thanks!

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Post Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:34 am 
 

faro wrote:
grodog wrote:faro, if you're interested, I could certainly type up the products listing on the back of Warriors of Mars; it was released not too long after BioOne. Just let me know.

Please, Allan. Thanks for the offer :)

It was released (by TSR) before BioOne, tho'. (Unless they had a print run of half-a-dozen staff copies in 1974 with a GK logo :D)


OK, here it is: http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/temp/Warriors_of_Mars_catalog.jpg

It's a bit blurry, but looks readable. Interesting to note that Star Probe was "Coming Soon!" and the line of Scruby miniatures, which I've never heard of otherwise.


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:26 am 
 

We should rename this thread to something like "TSR catalogue price lists" or something like that---it would make it easier to find later down the line when we need this info :D


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:21 am 
 

Speaking of price lists, I noticed that my copy of Panzer Warfare has Classical Warfare listed as "A Four-Booklet Set of rules for the Ancient Period, from the Pharoahs to the Byzantine Empire."   I've only seen Classical Warfare as a single 8.5x11 comb-bound volume.  Was it ever released in the other format?

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:36 am 
 

The single-volume, spiral-comb-bound tome is all I've ever seen.


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:08 pm 
 

Bio One was not professionally printed for distribution until after I had started working there, to the best of my recall.

It says that it was invented in 1974; it was, by Brian as I recall. It does not say that it was published in 1974.

Tactical Studies Rules did not become TSR Hobbies, Inc. until a time concurrent with my arrival. Gary and Brian were owners, I was the first official "employee", and that was in the Autumn of 1975 when my wife & I moved there. Rob Kuntz was our fourth Musketeer, and his brother Terry the fifth.


I say this as a "As best as I can remember"; that was a long time ago, but I think I have it correct.


And yes, it was invented with Boot Hill in mind as necessary to stop arguments. At the time, I thought it was one of the best pieces Brian did. As morbid as some of it was, it was the first time anyone had tried this type of simulation.

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