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Post Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:33 pm 

This thread may have turned into the most ridiculous thread on the forum. This all could have been handled with a simple PM voicing a concern and that would have been that, rather than everyone flaming the sh*t out each other. Can we please move on to something more interesting and even more importantly relevant to what this site is supposed to be for............

Let me clarify my position as I think my previous post and editing of my other posts may have confused people. I am not in any way shape or form a bigot and/or a racist, but I do think that things were blown way out of proportion. Despite that fact, I just do not think that this is the appropriate place to air my political feelings one way or the other. I do find it pretty hypocritical that someone who was so offended by a persons remarks turns right around and rather than address that concern in private via a Personal Message, instead posts right on the forum calling him a *juvenile bigot*. :?  With that, I implore everyone to move on from this particular discussion to things that pertain to D&D collecting. As a matter of fact, it would make me happiest if Scott would just delete this thread as the origianl question has been answered.

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:38 am 

Hey, bclarkie, come on, not deleting it now - it's becoming one of the most interesting threads on the forum... like seeing a duel with magic users throwing fireballs at each other. Ah, I adore the smell of sulphur in the morning...

Ok, this WAS a joke.

I agree that this forum has a specific purpose, and every other issue should be addressed privately. The only thing I have to say is that myself - and I can speculate, many others in there - are not "juvenile bigots" even if sometimes say something that could be classified like that - probably because the "tongue-in-cheek" accent isn't translated well into forums.

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:56 am 

Lets have a one minute silence for a dead topic...............................................

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:01 am 


afoolandhis$'s comment was juvenile and *possibly* bigoted (but that did not stop me finding it funny :lol: )

and GraysonAC was absolutely right to identify it as so.

And in a way, it could probably have ended there.  Spotting someone's remarks as juvenile is, as a simple matter of fact, not the same as accusing that person as being juvenile (i.e. even smart people say stupid things - it doesn't make them stupid).  And GraysonAC kept his remarks to the post not the person.  And to be honest, afoolandhis$'s comment was hardly the most inflammatory comment I have seen on this (or other) boards.

I like the informality of this forum and accept that sometimes people will say something with which I will disagree or which will make me cringe - as I am sure some of my posts (this one?) make other people cringe.  In exactly the same spirit of openness and free-speech, I think it is good that people will post if they feel that a statement offends their sensibilities ...  and of course everyone else here can pile in on top if they want.

But, at the end of the day - afoolandhis$'s comment wasn't that bad, and Grayson AC did not actually call him juvenile.  So, I would echo the earlier post about mountains and molehills (although I prefer the term 'storm in a tea cup' myself).



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Post Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:07 am 

I'll just reiterate something I said earlier, as the point seems to be entirely lost on folks. I don't expect anyone here to be a raging bigot. My original comment was directed at the comment made, not the person making it.

What folks apparently -don't- realize is that even if you have absolutely no intention whatsoever of causing any ill will or hurt feelings (and I certainly don't think afoolandhis$ intended harm), you're fully capable of doing so. As I think has been shown by the response I received - especially from folks not willing to post to this thread because they don't want to get attacked for saying something out of step - offhand comments *do* bother people.

Much hullabaloo has been made on this thread about the board being an "open" and friendly place. I've certainly found this to be true. Personally, and it certainly seems like some folks agree with me, I think it's worth a little effort to avoid offending folks or hurting feelings, and making -everyone- that wants to participate in discussion here feel welcome.


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:04 pm 

When I read the initial posting I missed the "eGay" remark. After reading Grayson's post, I went back to afoolandhis$'s message and my first reaction was why is Grayson getting so upset over what could very possibly be a typo. After all the G key is right above the B key.
    Reading the subsequent postings seems to indicate that this was indeed delibrate on the part of afoolandhis$. However it strikes me strange that Grayson assumes it was not a mistake and then claims his criticism is directed at the remark, and not the person making it. Odd.
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