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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:39 pm 
 

Oh for Dragon Kinds sake... please let this sniping on the Acaeum stop....
E-Bay the damned thing already...

FWIW: I also feel that E-Bay would be a win-win for both the collecting community and for the seller.

So what if the ST-1 DOES disappear into "The Unknown Collector's" bookcase, or safe? If YOU (broadly stated) do not want that to happen, then YOU should bid higher than "The Unknown Collector" does yourself....

Of course the eventual buyer of the ST-1 will have far more competition from the world wide web than if the Module was sold exclusively through PMing on the Acaeum, which IMO is the underlying reason behind the negative comments for selling on E-Bay.

Besides, I have all of BadMike's money now and it is burning a big hole in my britches..... 8O  8O
Hey!! A guys gotta start his second collection sometime and what better item to begin with than an ST-1 :?: ..... 8)


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:52 pm 
 

*looks to the post above* :roll:

Aneoth you're quite the character.  :lol:

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:57 pm 
 

One other thing I did want to mention about the sale of this item, is that there seems to be a connotation that because I as well as others not participating in the bidding of this item, somehow don't have valid opinions about this because we are not bidding. I wonder why that would be the case, as I would figure that would render our opinion neutral as we have absolutely no stake in how this auction ends up. I actually resent that connotation. Truthfully if I really wanted to, I could WIN this item. Being that I do not have the desire at this time to drop $2k on it does not invalidate my opinion or any other on its how we think it should be sold. I can understand Frank's desire to keep in the community, but that so far is the only valid reason to keep it off Ebay. *points to BTB's post about fees*


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:15 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:
Deadlord36 wrote:Someone please point out one benefit of eBaying it.


I can think of three:

1. Competition. It's one thing to sit back and let a bunch of PM offers come in, but it's quite another to post a super-rare item on eBay (one of the world's great public forums) and let potential buyers compete against one another in an open arena where anyone, at any time, can influence events. In a case such as the elusive ST1, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the competitive juices would be flowing — much to the benefit of the seller.

2. Not every collector visits the Acaeum. It's shocking, I know, but it's true. Some have never heard of it, some aren't interested, some don't like it, and some are lurkers, all of which adds up to an important consideration — the 460-odd registered members of these forums do not represent the entirety of the D&D collecting spectrum, no matter how much we might wish otherwise.

Or, to look at it from the other angle: eBay has 135 million registered users, and that's a pretty big pool to draw from. Who knows how many of them — maybe not even serious D&D collectors — might be willing to take a shot at an ST1?

3. Seller's market. This goes hand-in-hand with #2 and could probably be classified as #2B, but it's worth mentioning. Given the fact that sellers seem to be raking it in lately — a trend mentioned time and again in various threads here — why would you not take a chance on what some of those 135 million users might be willing to pay? These things tend to be cyclical, but for now, anyway, it's good to be an eBay seller.

Now, granted, eBay (and PayPal, if used) does generate fees, and there's no way around those. Those voting for a private sale have a valid point when they criticize such fees — eBay might be a lot of things, but one thing it isn't is free. So, to be fair, that must be considered.

And, again, I'll close with two disclaimers: first, although I feel strongly that eBay is the way to go, this is just my two coppers; second, I'm not trying to pull off some sort of cute deal or eBay coup. I won't be bidding by either the PM or eBay method.


Agreed in totality.

Man..if you do not put it up on Ebay, you and all of the private bidders are fooling yourself.

Simply put, put the reserve at the highest private offer plus the total cost of all of the fees!!!  If the sale does not hit the reserve...what have  you lost?  You could also STILL decide to sell the thing to whoever the highest bidder was on Ebay EVEN if the reserve is not met........

What a silly little discussion this has turned out to be.


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:23 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:I can understand Frank's desire to keep in the community, but that so far is the only valid reason to keep it off Ebay. *points to BTB's post about fees*

Certainly not the only valid reason, as I noted on the previous page.

Aside from the potential for a dodgy buyer or a sale that doesn't quite reach its potential, the seller can take 100% of any seriously high offer going rather than merely one bid interval above the second bid. (And there is certainly the possibility that ST1s have sold for /more/ in private sales than the highest observed on eBay, in which case the eBay realisation history might well hold back the price. Malcolm and a few others should know the answer to that...).
Those /are/ still valid reasons, IMHO.

I thought I had the bidding lists for the past two ST1 sales tucked around, but can't find those just now. Would have invited any other high bidders over here, but am fairly certain the majority are already on the board, or else are lurking.

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:27 pm 
 

morgansurname wrote:Simply put, put the reserve at the highest private offer plus the total cost of all of the fees!!! If the sale does not hit the reserve...what have you lost? You could also STILL decide to sell the thing to whoever the highest bidder was on Ebay EVEN if the reserve is not met........

What a silly little discussion this has turned out to be.

A high reserve /can/ certainly be a bad idea, if it's not met.
People may well hedge, hold back on the final push, or otherwise think the seller is being "over-optimistic"; which does indeed appear to have been the case with the most recent black folder PotVQ sale.

Of course, if two people here who don't really want the mod are willing to put in $1,700 on a 99 cent opening to "start things rolling", that's up to them.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:28 pm 
 

Bclarkie Wrote:

One other thing I did want to mention about the sale of this item, is that there seems to be a connotation that because I as well as others not participating in the bidding of this item, somehow don't have valid opinions about this because we are not bidding. I wonder why that would be the case, as I would figure that would render our opinion neutral as we have absolutely no stake in how this auction ends up. I actually resent that connotation. Truthfully if I really wanted to, I could WIN this item. Being that I do not have the desire at this time to drop $2k on it does not invalidate my opinion or any other on its how we think it should be sold. I can understand Frank's desire to keep in the community, but that so far is the only valid reason to keep it off Ebay. *points to BTB's post about fees*


I completely agree clarkie, we don't have one, and I personally wouldn't want to spend more than $500 - $1000 on a lower-grade copy if there is such a thing just for completness.

I still don't understand why this module is so pricy? For the $1,500 to $2 grand you guys are talking about I'd rather have something truly rare like a first print Dwarven or a 1st ed Chain.

Yes the module is rare, but it comes up (iirc :roll: ) about every three to four months.

Quick thread poll:

Do you guys in the UK gang feel a lot of nostalgia for the ST1?

And what's the non-UK'ers opinion?


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:47 pm 
 

invincibleoverlord wrote:I still don't understand why this module is so pricy? For the $1,500 to $2 grand you guys are talking about I'd rather have something truly rare like a first print Dwarven or a 1st ed Chain.

Yes the module is rare, but it comes up (iirc :roll: ) about every three to four months.

Ample scope for another few dozen to slowly trickle through the system.
I am well aware there are others around "undeclared"; but in single figures, personally.
The old, rare mods are far less likely to pull any such appearing trick.

My advice to sell now rather than hold was based on that, plus the seller's possible stated interest in diversifying or else just using the money for other RL stuff.
The price for ST1 may well go up, but then other /obvious/ rare D&D items are likely to increase no less strongly and are less "vulnerable" to fluctuations in hype (at present, it's the only UK item with both high hype and high $) or new market discoveries.

No certainties in any of this, of course...

invincibleoverlord wrote:Quick thread poll:
Do you guys in the UK gang feel a lot of nostalgia for the ST1?

Not particularly. That I, too, can remember them being bought in bulk probably doesn't help, though! :?

First Chainmail or either of the "first print" OD&D sets win hands down.
Black folder PotVQ, Inverness, Tamo, DG, etc., are still ahead, too.

*g*. Sorry, no UK items there...
OK, give me a complete run of Owl & Weasels, a stack of fanzines, a nice minty 1st print GW MM and Basic Book, then, for "nostalgia".

(Matching "nostalgia" to $ was never an easy trick! ;))

  


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:10 pm 
 

OK everyone,
I've decide to go for the private sale.
Actually from the serious bidders, about half would have preffered ebay, so a split there too.
In selling this item privately, I will take payment by PayPal (or some other similar method that places $$$ (sorry £££) in my bank account.
I must be convinced that any extra costs (except PayPal) are met by the buyer.  
Provided we can reach agreement, then the best offer made by this Sunday Evening (my time) - 17th April will be getting my ST1.
If we can't reach agreement then I will place it on ebay (probably!?)

Can I again say, I don't want anyone buying this ST1 to feel disappointed when they open the package - I have been as up front as I can be and if anyone needs further information, scans etc. I will answer all questions as honestly as I am able.

OK and the bit you've been waiting for....
Yes, I have had a superb offer well in excess of $2000, please only contact me if you feel you are able to bid very high!

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:11 pm 
 

I still have yet to hear a reasonable explanation for why someone who  doesn't plan on bidding on this item have a valid opinion.  :?  I also can't figure out why so many buyers are so feckin concerned about the sellers fees, and no one has answered the question either.  I think I addressed the highest price argument in my previous fee with
"blowing me away with an offer"
As far as using the reserve price scaring bidders away or causing the non-sale of the item, I think the most recent PotVQ auction kind of settles that, because the item sold anyway IIRC. :?


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:14 pm 
 

Well, so much for my above post as it is moot now. I will say that congrats are in order to the person who placed a bid well in excess of $2000.00, because if anyone tops it, well then.......Nevermind, I was always told if you can't say something nice about someone don't say anything at all. Also, whenever this sale is completed, would the winner please post it here so we know who it is.


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:20 pm 
 

I have promised that I will pass on the final sale price to the Acaeum, but I respect the wishes of who ever buys it if they wish to remain anon.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:31 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:I still have yet to hear a reasonable explanation for why someone who doesn't plan on bidding on this item have a valid opinion. :?

Hey, need a hug?
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Sorry; what I said was "With due deference, I don't see a single serious buyer amongst the last few posts saying 'put it on eBay'".
Just in case it sounded more like us non-bidders were more interested in watching the spectator sport of an eBay auction.

Apologies if that came across the wrong way...

bclarkie wrote:I also can't figure out why so many buyers are so feckin concerned about the sellers fees, and no one has answered the question either. I think I addressed the highest price argument in my previous fee with
"blowing me away with an offer"

Had thought high side of $40, but was only one factor to add in.

Actually, the seller's caught me on the hop a bit in that I thought there might be a "stopping point" he had in mind, but now appears as though there's a full-blown silent auction.
(Not quite sure how "sniping" and "closing time" works in /that/ context. Final/"sealed" bids, perhaps?).

Does anyone have that full list of bidders from the last two ST1 auctions, then?
Will have another check, anyhow, just to be "fair" (since that was one driving force behind an eBay sale, no?).
And if anyone else wishes to contact the obvious high rollers who might not be here, am sure the seller would welcome that.

bclarkie wrote:As far as using the reserve price scaring bidders away or causing the non-sale of the item, I think the most recent PotVQ auction kind of settles that, because the item sold anyway IIRC. :?

The usual last minute sniping battle was replaced by a $30 nudge. It still sold: might've done better, though, without that high reserve.
Frank's Inverness which failed to reach it's reserve flopped totally. :(

  

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:19 pm 
 

i think everyone should be entitled to an opinion whether they bid or not. not that it matters really, as the seller will choose to do as he pleases, as they should.

either way of selling doesnt bother me at all - although i just feel ebay adds to all the fun and its there for all to see. can't say i am a great lover of all this private stuff....specially after all that bella fiasco stuff....

well i just hope jon gets his top $ for the ST1 and both parties are very happy with the deal.

i for one, am very open and offered the lad a cool £1000 plus travelling to his house and paying cash in hand so no hassles.

to me, that is one serious as f*ck offer. anyone who can turn around and say thats not, needs their heads seeing to :) just unfortunately there were MORE serious offers of a greater value  :D , so i am totally cool with that. i will just store that away and wait for the next one, now that Amanda has given me the "sorta" thumbs up to get one if i want it....knowing me though, something else will come along and i will get it/them instead :)

good luck to the "big bidders" and congrats to the winner, whomever it may be.

i just hope you will share it with the rest of the forum upon conclusion!

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:48 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:i for one, am very open and offered the lad a cool £1000 plus travelling to his house and paying cash in hand so no hassles.

Alan, if I ever find myself with two, I'll take you up on that offer. And I'll even throw in a few beers and a curry. :D

Unless of course if the market has moved onto a $3k ST1. 8O

  

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:19 pm 
 

LOL you're on mate :)

btw looks like anny has cornered them feckin G mono's grrr :)

well i am off now to go find other stuff to buy. i waded in....didnt catch a fish, so off to look for another pond to fish in :)

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:05 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:LOL you're on mate :)

btw looks like anny has cornered them feckin G mono's grrr :)

well i am off now to go find other stuff to buy. i waded in....didnt catch a fish, so off to look for another pond to fish in :)

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Nahhh... no need to overestimate my resolve, or my cash reserves either. I have not cornered anything yet.
I figure the bid the G's are at now will not even come close to getting any of them.
John be not discouraged. There are many among us who have sniping software and they are absolutley NOT afraid to use it........... :roll:
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Post Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:23 am 
 

Aneoth wrote:Oh for Dragon Kinds sake... please let this sniping on the Acaeum stop....
E-Bay the damned thing already...

FWIW: I also feel that E-Bay would be a win-win for both the collecting community and for the seller.

So what if the ST-1 DOES disappear into "The Unknown Collector's" bookcase, or safe? If YOU (broadly stated) do not want that to happen, then YOU should bid higher than "The Unknown Collector" does yourself....

Of course the eventual buyer of the ST-1 will have far more competition from the world wide web than if the Module was sold exclusively through PMing on the Acaeum, which IMO is the underlying reason behind the negative comments for selling on E-Bay.

Besides, I have all of BadMike's money now and it is burning a big hole in my britches..... 8O 8O
Hey!! A guys gotta start his second collection sometime and what better item to begin with than an ST-1 :?: ..... 8)


    Aneoth's got a warchest full of money to spend!!!! He's loaded with MY money guys!!!!  Look out cause I don't think anyone is going to be able to match him on this one..... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
  One vote here for the frenzy of ebay madness, since I won't be participating and a spectator sport is more fun than a boring "press release" the next day saying how much it went for in a private offer (If we even find out that, since being a private transaction both parties could concievably decide to stay mum about the entire thing).

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