T.H.E Fighter (GM2)
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:57 pm 
 

Came across this little oddity at a local store today. This isn't the actual one I have, but it's the only picture I could find of it. My copy is a bit more worn and has a loose price tag on the (dog-eared) upper-right hand corner.

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It's an incredibly detailed set of rules for man-to-man combat in RPG's, and was published by Martian Game Modules (Copperas, Texas) in 1979. Even includes a set of charts and a hex-grid map. There's a brief entry in Heroic Worlds, but I have no idea what this thing might be worth.

Anyone care to take a guess? For that matter, does anyone want it?

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:02 pm 
 

I have a copy. I don't remember how much I got it for, but it certainly wasn't THAT much, or I'd remember. No idea what it should go for, but yours is only the second I've seen.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:15 pm 
 

Hi Zander -

I don't know what it might be worth, but I'm going to guess that one of the authors listed (L. W. Willis) is Lynn Willis, who did some design work at Metagaming in the late seventies. He designed Godsfire, and worked on a few other things that Metagaming put out. Martian Games were in Texas, as was Metagaming (Austin).

At the same time, Steve Jackson was also a Metagaming employee, who did the majority of the design work there. He left in 1980 or so and started Steve Jackson Games, and in 1985 put out the first component for GURPS, which was a set of man-to-man fighting rules.

I read somewhere that Steve became disaffected at Metagaming, ie he was the main creative force there but was only a salaried employee. When he started to get the idea for GURPS in 1978/79 he decided to leave to start his own company, so he could reap the rewards of what he thought would be a very successful system.

More than likely Lynn and Steve had a fair few discussions about man to man combat while they were both at Metagaming, but who knows if there was any collaboration between them.

Not much help I know, but I'd be interested in it as I think Godsfire is a fantastic game and Willis a great designer.

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Post Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 6:51 am 
 

T.H.E. Fighter.... by Martian Game Modules listed on Matthias' page here..

http://www.stud.uni-hamburg.de/users/af ... index.html

for sale on Aarons' page here in mint condition for $9.95... (which I believe he has a few of as well...)

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worn condition prob a couple of bucks...?

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Post Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:31 am 
 

Thanks to all for the info on this book. Considering that I got it for $2.50 CDN, I'll probably hang on to it.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:04 am 
 

Anyone knows if T.H.E. Mage - magic system, was ever released?

Here it says "probably never released":

web.archive.org/web/20061008133844/www. ... index.html

Also, would T.H.E. Fighter be useful for handling combats between characters and monsters or is it uniquely concerned with man-to-man combat?

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:32 pm 
 

It can be used for combat between players and monsters and gives stats for a short "list of appropriate animals/monsters which your characters can fight against in the arena or on adventures". They also stress using it in conjunction with T.H.E. NPC to settle encounters with bargaining and negotiation as to avoid combat and possibly get help from a band of goblins rather than fight on sight.  An interesting and exhaustive booklet. I would have like to see their other products if they existed.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:22 pm 
 

Thank you for the information.

Do you think this combat system can be utilized with AD&D monsters?

  

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:54 pm 
 

I think so with some modifications. It seems to be a complete replacement combat system aiming toward realism that "works with any fantasy and science fiction role playing game". I'm giving it a read through now and does seem somewhat more geared to fighting intelligent creatures (elves, dwarves, trolls, urak-hai etc.) than monsters. The final designers' notes also recommends holding on to your copy of the 1st edition T.H.E. NPC that used a card computer system as it may be a collector's item someday. :D

  

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:34 am 
 

Hello VK, iirc, Nobleknight used to sell these two booklets at a very low price.

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:27 am 
 

Clancy wrote in T.H.E Fighter (GM2): I'm giving it a read through now and does seem somewhat more geared to fighting intelligent creatures (elves, dwarves, trolls, urak-hai etc.) than monsters.


Yes, that was exactly what i suspected

It seems to be a complete replacement combat system aiming toward realism that "works with any fantasy and science fiction role playing game"


But considering this, i think i'll give it a try :D

  
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