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Post Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:14 am 
 

What is a Warriors of Mars really worth?  I have been looking for this one for the past couple of years now and a few have come up on Ebay.  I think about a year ago they were in the $100 range but since then there seems to be a number that have been selling in the multi 100 range.  Is this just a high point in the market for this item?

There is one listed right now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5938917952

where the seller probably has a reserve of $350 since that seems to be what the seller bought it for about a month ago (although they claim to have had it for 8 years and paid $350 for it then)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5927133128

How long do I have to wait until it goes back down to $100?

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Post Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:38 am 
 

Mars wrote:What is a Warriors of Mars really worth?  I have been looking for this one for the past couple of years now and a few have come up on Ebay.  I think about a year ago they were in the $100 range but since then there seems to be a number that have been selling in the multi 100 range.  Is this just a high point in the market for this item?

There is one listed right now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5938917952

where the seller probably has a reserve of $350 since that seems to be what the seller bought it for about a month ago (although they claim to have had it for 8 years and paid $350 for it then)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5927133128

How long do I have to wait until it goes back down to $100?


Warriors of Mars is not worth $300.  You'll note the next lowest bid on the auction he bought it from was $155.  

The two bids on his auction are a couple of folks on here messing with the seller, there's another thread about it on here somewhere...ah yes, on pg. 82 of Interesting Items on Ebay.  

Thanks for pointing out it's the same Warriors of Mars as a couple months ago (even though the seller claims to have had the item 8 years!).  Sounds like I realizes he overbid and is trying to recover his loss.  Complete loss of credibility, if you ask me.  When I flip over the junk I've paid too much for, I won't be trying to leverage some lie about how long I've owned it.  :D

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Post Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:27 am 
 

That is exactly why I don't mind messing with him. I remember when he bought it.


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Post Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:48 am 
 

lol messing with mr B2 himeself....

  


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Post Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:52 am 
 

8O Did anyone else find it strange that deimos and mars were talking about "Warriors of Mars" ?  8O

I think it's going to be a weird day...

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Post Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:15 pm 
 

As a Warriors of Mars owner, I'm in total agreement with those who said that this book isn't worth the amount the auction fetched.  I'd agree with anywhere between $60-$100, because most other non-D&D games and supplements in the early years (Boot Hill, Metamorphosis Alpha) seem to go for around that amount on Ebay.

If I was in the market for a copy of Warriors of Mars, it'd be worth the low end of the price range for me.  The copy I have was worth the price I paid, and it wasn't much.

And yes, it's rather odd that Deimos and Mars were talking about Warriors of Mars.  So where's Phobos?



  


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:31 am 
 

I'm not sure that WoM shouldn't command somewhat higher prices thatn the usual other TSR items from its era.  

First of all, it's one of the earliest TSR publications.  Secondly, Gygax has stated in his ENWorld Q&A threads at Gary Gygax Q&A, Part IV - Page 11 that he thinks the initial print run was relatively low (only about 5000 or 3000 copies).  Thirdly, along with the Tolkien references in the OD&D box sets and Battle of Five Armies, and the Cthulhu/Elric mythoi removals from D&DG, Warriors of Mars is the only other example of TSR being forced to back down/change business practices with respect to literary rights they infringed upon.


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:30 pm 
 

I agree with Allan... I've been after a copy of WoM for a while, but refuse to pay the huge prices it's currently commanding. For the reasons Allan gives its worth more than most of the other early books. I've been consistently bidding anywhere between $100 and $140 when they've come up on ebay, but have yet to be successful.  

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:49 pm 
 

Well, do you want my 2nd chance offer from the seller for 299.99? I won't be taking it.


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:44 pm 
 

Did you get a 2nd chance offer from the seller?

  


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:59 pm 
 

Traveller wrote:And yes, it's rather odd that Deimos and Mars were talking about Warriors of Mars.  So where's Phobos?

That's it, if I ever get a dog, I'm naming him Phobos.  At least it won't be some stupid made-up name, like Pluto.  :D

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:12 pm 
 

I did.


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:31 am 
 

Ah, the e-mail exchange with the seller goes well..........


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:37 am 
 

> What!?
> Why did you bid if you did'nt want the item?
> Were you trying to be funny bidding 1 cent under?
> What's the story?

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1. $300 is way too much for Warriors of Mars.
2. You claim to have had it for 8 years, yet you bought it a month and a
half ago ago for $350.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5927133128
3. The print run for this was between 3000 and 5000 copies, according to
Gygax. The 1st print Brownie had 1,000.
4. You state in your auction that if it didn't sell, you would just keep it.
Sounds like a petulant child attitude.

But mostly it's #2. Since the auction had deceptive info in it, I have no
way to be assured that the item isn't in far worse shape than stated, or
that it isn't a Kinko's special.
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His second e-mail and my reply.


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:08 pm 
 

Eagerly awaits the third installment of this saga.

I wonder if he'll be a prick and leave negative feedback.



  

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:17 pm 
 

Not possible, I didn't take the offer.
He's a nitwit, he's been e-mailing me with idiotic ramblings. Made the foolish mistake of a veiled threat too, but when I offered to rip out his liver and feed it back to him, he started whining. Also claims he has 2 copies of the book, and was selling his lesser copy. Right.....................
Supposedly has 2 cars, a $310,000 house, and a construction business that earns him $385,000 a year, undeveloped land worth $485,000, blah blah blah. And he's selling his collection for financial reasons. Right...............


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:58 am 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:Not possible, I didn't take the offer.
He's a nitwit, he's been e-mailing me with idiotic ramblings. Made the foolish mistake of a veiled threat too, but when I offered to rip out his liver and feed it back to him, he started whining.

Some people!  You offer a free liver transplant, and he bitches.   :)

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Post Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:08 am 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:Not possible, I didn't take the offer.
He's a nitwit, he's been e-mailing me with idiotic ramblings. Made the foolish mistake of a veiled threat too, but when I offered to rip out his liver and feed it back to him, he started whining. Also claims he has 2 copies of the book, and was selling his lesser copy. Right.....................
Supposedly has 2 cars, a $310,000 house, and a construction business that earns him $385,000 a year, undeveloped land worth $485,000, blah blah blah. And he's selling his collection for financial reasons. Right...............


Offer him $309,999.99 for his house   :lol:

  


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:18 am 
 

This has been an interesting thread, and just for the record Frank nice move with the one-cent under bid (classic) :)

I'm a little confused about part of you're last post.

Supposedly has 2 cars, a $310,000 house, and a construction business that earns him $385,000 a year, undeveloped land worth $485,000, blah blah blah. And he's selling his collection for financial reasons. Right...............


What does this have to do with the Warriors in question? I'm LOL, in what context was this written? Was he trying to threaten you with his pile of coins?  :lol:

Anyway, I happen to love this little book. I've actually read it, the rules are standard miniatures rules for the era, but it would take some playing to hammer them out. Its connection with early TSR rather than D&D attracted me to it, although its relationship can be read between the lines. I was always under the impression that this book was on the rarer side maybe not $300 bucks worth of rare, but along the lines of a true first print Grayhawk. ($150)

My question is, 3 -- 5 thousand may have been printed, but how many were recalled? How many weren't shipped for the same reason? And what did they do with them? Destroyed them? Gave them away to thousands of friends? I'm not trying to be sarcastic; I'm just trying to understand what happened to them all?

Honestly, 3 -- 5 thousand printed sounds crazy for an off war-game of the era. 1 maybe 2 seems more realistic, but who am I to question the EGG.  :(


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:57 am 
 

Let me show you some of the text:

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:39:03 -0500 "Frank Farris" <[email protected]>
writes:
> 1. $300 is way too much for Warriors of Mars.
A: If $300.00 is WAY TOO MUCH than why did you bid on it!

> 2. You claim to have had it for 8 years, yet you bought it a month
> and a
> half ago ago for $350.
A:I have TWO! I bought one recently and it was a little better than the
one I have.
  Im selling the FIRST one for LESS than the price I bought the SECOND
one.
  And if you ASSumed this, THEN WHY DID YOU BID?!
> 3. The print run for this was between 3000 and 5000 copies,
> according to
> Gygax. The 1st print Brownie had 1,000.
A:According to the ACAEUM, I received email regarding this item and
stated sales on ebay and other web sites going for $500.00 AND MORE.
  Once again, if you did'nt have any interest in this item, WHY DID YOU
BID?!

> 4. You state in your auction that if it didn't sell, you would just
> keep it.
> Sounds like a petulant child attitude.
A: I State that I needed the money, (an emergency came up, as if you
care).
  As for the "petulant child attitude", I'm not the one with two ebay
addresses, bidding on item's up to one cent to mess with people.

> But mostly it's #2. Since the auction had deceptive info in it, I
> have no
> way to be assured that the item isn't in far worse shape than
> stated, or
> that it isn't a Kinko's special.
A:SERIOUS NOW..., YOU'RE A MORON WRAPPED IN AN IDIOT!
>
SUMMATION: You're a sphincter dwelling ass monkey  with no dick, no life,
and no woman. Who get's his peanut off by messing with people on ebay.
GET A LIFE YOU DICK! I HAVE FAMILY WHERE YOU LIVE!



The amusing thing is that for someone who according to himself is doing pretty well in life, he has worse grammar than Draco :)
Seriously, he states he "needs the money". Ummm, OK, here's a thought:
SELL THE FUCKING LAND, IDIOT! Everything that comes out of this moron's mouth is an insult to those of us with IQ's above 60. Does he really think that anyone would believe he owns a house, 2 cars, undeveloped land, a construction business, three French hens, two turtle doves, etc. when he's selling a few RPG items to raise desperately needed cash?
This is the problem with the Web. I have maintained since 1996 that people should be licensed to use the Web, thereby pruning out the keyboard Conans and Internet Einsteins. If I had a buck for every time I heard "I'll kick your ass!" or "I know where you live", I'd be retired.


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