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Post Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:00 pm 
 

Realms of Sorcery Limited Edition (Red Leather)

Pathfinder Core Rulebook and Bestiary:  have ‘Special Edition' on the cover above the Pathfinder logo at the top of the covers. The logo and titles are in gold on the front cover and spine and the pages are edged in gold ink.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:29 am 
 

Sounds very cool, I want one  :)


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:27 pm 
 

beasterbrook wrote:Realms of Sorcery Limited Edition (Red Leather)


The hardest WFRP item to find; early Warpstones show up more frequently (but not much).  Print run of 100 numbered and 20 unnumbered presentation copies, roughly even distribution between three leather cover colors.  Maybe one copy per year pops up.  Easily $300+, and I wouldn't part with mine for a lot more than that.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:12 pm 
 

when i won James Wallis's personal copy a few years ago he wrote me a letter delineating how there came to be (according to him) 2 unnumbered copies, one of which he took for his personal copy. he did point out that they had slightly more than 100 made, such that if there were damaged copies etc. that they would be able to fill their orders; after that was done they had exactly two left.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:27 pm 
 

My information also comes directly from James Wallis.  I still have the email from 2010 - rereading it I see that he notes that he never got one for himself, so that's odd.

My unnumbered copy (red) came from Graeme Davis.  I also have one of the numbered copies (black).  I've never seen the third color, supposedly cream.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:28 pm 
 

When james closed his company down he did sell a couple on ebay I remember (he actually sold quite a few rare things).. pretty sure there was one cream on then, I vaguly remember his saying only a test run done.. it was quite a while ago and my memory may be rusty.. I remember it went for an insane price (more than I could afford back then)

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:46 pm 
 

this is the signed letter i got from James Wallis back in 2005:

Realms of Sorcery
Certificate of Authenticity and Provenance

The copy of Realms of Sorcery accompanied by this letter is one of 102 copies in existence. One hundred of those copies are part of a limited edition, with a numbered certificate on the inside front cover, signed by the two authors. This, therefore, is one of the two copies of the unlimited, unsigned, unnumbered, leatherbound edition.

The Hogshead edition of Realms of Sorcery was released at the end of 2001 in three versions. There was a standard paperback, a hardback limited to 1000 copies, and the limited-edition leatherbound. the latter was available only by advanced subscription from Hogshead's website, and sold out in weeks. Buyers could choose the cover colour, from a choice of black, crimson, or Caucasian.

One hundred leatherbound books were hand-bound in leather by a bindery in south London, using uncased book-blocks left over from the printing of the hardbacks, and were shipped to the Hogshead office in not-quite-so-south London, from where they were FedExed out all over the world.

With a week, we discovered we had a problem. Approximately one-third of the books had pages out of order, due to a binding error in the book-blocks by the American printers. We undertook to replace every damaged copy free of charge, and commissioned the bindery to produce more copies. To give us a margin of error, we ordered more copies than we actually required.

After the dust had settled in early 2002, we had two copies of Realms of Sorcery left in the office. One went to ***** *****, Hogshead's ***** *****, and I took the other. It remained in my personal collection until I sold it to William Meinhardt on 11th August 2005. This letter accompanies that copy.

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:42 am 
 

In April 2010, I wrote this email to James Wallis:

I'm hoping to pick your brain about a topic from the good 'ole Hogshead days; I'm wondering about the limited edition release of Realms Of Sorcery.


Here's what I've been able to dig up:

1.  I acquired an unsigned red leather bound copy from one of the creators last year.
2.  A few signed leather bound copies (2 black, 1 red) from the edition of 100 have come up for sale in the last few weeks (ebay, dragonsfoot).
3.  There are a couple notes in Warpstone 18 about a signed edition of 100 and a presentation copy edition of 20.

Do you recall what was printed?   I'm trying to understand if the total was 100 or 120, if the leather colors meant anything, etc.


And he replied thus:

Aha, the leatherbound Realms of Sorcery... the problems we had with that book. Here's a potted version of the history.

We planned to produce 120: 100 signed and numbered, and 20 unsigned and unnumbered--the former for sale, the latter as complimentary copies to creatives and business partners (e.g. Games Workshop Licensing). What actually happened was that we printed and shipped all 120, and then discovered that about 25% of them had the pages in the wrong order. Massive recall, reprint, loss of face, etc. etc. and there went our profit margin. I believe that all bar one of the screwed-up copies were destroyed.

Signed-limiteds have an A5-size cream bookplate on the inside front cover, stating their authenticity and signed by the authors and (I think) me. The unlimiteds don't, though some do have a personal dedication from me thanking the recipient for their work. Though now I reactivate that part of the cortex, I recall a couple were put aside for charity auctions, and may have an inscription saying so. But the bottom line is that 120 copies is all.

The colour of the leather doesn't mean anything. When people ordered a copy we gave them a choice of red, cream or black (I think--it's been ten years. There were only three colours anyway). The unnumbereds were, I think, evenly split between the three.

Anyway, you're one up on me because I never got a leatherbound for myself. I remember they smelled wonderful, and I really hope that's still the case.



So his memory seems to have altered a bit over a few years.  Doesn't change the base point much, though.  The book is still quite tough to find and sells for a lot when it turns up.


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:38 am 
 

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Pathfinder Core Rulebook and Bestiary:  have ‘Special Edition' on the cover above the Pathfinder logo at the top of the covers. The logo and titles are in gold on the front cover and spine and the pages are edged in gold ink.

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The -gold cover- Pathfinder books are rare... usually staff copies... but a few were released last year on ebay for a charity event I belive...

The core rulebook - At least $250-$300

The bestiary - At least $150 - $200

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:51 pm 
 

Now that we've said all that, I want to know if Brett is a buyer or a seller!


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:36 pm 
 

lol.. No someone has em for sale.. I've been tracking down "Limited" edition releases of late.. they are a bit subjective in value that all and they have limited history sales wise..

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:54 pm 
 

Sorry to bump the topic but I was researching the price of my copies of this book and had something to add that may be of value.

10 years ago I was very much into collecting Wfrp stuff and I remember this book well. I have 4 copies of it.

I have numbed copies 2, 3 and 4, each in one of the different colours. They were originally advertised as red, black and 'flesh' coloured. Those three copies I have all have the original wax sealed letters and all the trimmings. I originally was sent one of the faulty copies with a section of pages repeated (there was a section missing and replaced by a section that was a repeat of previous pages around pages 125). I sent my faulty copy back to be replaced and got a proper one later. I assume my faulty numbered copy was destroyed but don't know for sure.

Later, I was contacted by a friend when Hogsheads was closing down telling me that he had an unnumbered copy of the leather bound limited edition and he would sell it to me. I forget his name but I still have the note sent with the copy I bought from him and his first name was Carl. I might have an email from him but can't be bothered to trawl through my records to that degree to find it. When it arrived I was stunned. Not only was the copy unnumbered, which was rare enough, but it also had the misprinted pages. The unnumbered misprints were reportedly all destroyed. All but one of the misprints was destroyed and that one copy should be numbered - the owner probably kept it and never opened it and to this day owns a numbered copy that they don't know is a misprint. The unnumbered misprints were all destroyed, until I was sold this one.

There is a rarer Wfrp leather bound book and it was the original rule book sold in online auction for the 9/11 charity. It was signed by all the Wfrp original rule book authors and sold for around $1,500. I bid around $900 and lost. That is one book that I suspect will not resurface for a very long time.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:39 pm 
 

Could you share a picture?  I believe you, but I've never seen the "flesh" colored one.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:05 pm 
 

TheHistorian wrote in price check.. limited rpg stuff:Could you share a picture?  I believe you, but I've never seen the "flesh" colored one.


No problem. I'll dig them out of storage tomorrow and sort out the photos. Look for another post tomorrow either with inline photos or links to a photo sharing web site, depending upon what I can get to work.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:13 pm 
 

I'm in the market for them if they become available (or other that you see of these folks)

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:19 am 
 

OK, first one - this is red leather bound RoS numbered edition #2.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:20 am 
 

This is black leather bound #3

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:22 am 
 

And this is 'flesh' leather bound #4

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:26 am 
 

Now for a couple of special ones:

This is a copy that I think was sent to Ian Sturrock (author of several WFRP supplements and Hogshead employee until it folded) from someone called Carl. I believe the 'carl' to be Carl Sergeant, author of a few Warhammer supplements like the 'Lichemaster'. In those days I had a reputation within Hogshead for paying over the odds for collector stuff so Ian got put in touch with me by James Wallis and I bought it from him for around £100 - £150. I would regularly donate to charity in exchange for special considerations on rare items by James Wallis. This wasn't long after it came out so it was roughly twice the original cost of the book (£75 per leather bound book) and I think Ian got it for nothing as an oddity.

It is a flesh coloured, un-numbered copy that was never sent out to customers and should have been destroyed. It couldn't have been used as a replacement copy for damaged or lost customer copies due to the misprinted pages. The pages themselves are actually repeated bundles of pages, not just misprinted page numbers. So, an entire bundle of pages is repeated and a section missing in their place. This has no wax sealed letter or any of the extra stuff that arrived with the official copies. I have no idea how this copy escaped from Hogshead. It should have been destroyed. The only copies that should be out there are numbered copies or copies with inscriptions to their recipients as special gift copies. This one is a complete rogue which should have been shredded.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:31 am 
 

This one is the one that I didn't want to claim I had until I actually found it this morning. This one is the copy referred to in the letter from James Wallis that is the one 'official' mis-print that was not destroyed. It is a red leather bound un-numbered copy. It has an insert glued to the inside front cover which explains that it is a 'mutated' copy, I have photographed the mis-printed pages again and it is also signed by the authors on the 'mutation' insert on the front cover. I was sold this by James Wallis himself when Hogshead was being wound up. It has the official wax sealed letter etc that came with proper copies. This one is, obviously, a bit special within a set of books that are themselves a bit special.

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I paid £150 for this particular copy. Paid to a charity selected by James Wallis. I got a few other things from Hogshead when they were wound up in exchange for charity donations. The one that springs instantly to mind is the original proofs of the Warhammer rulebook banner when Hogshead had the rulebook reprinted. It has been ages since I dragged them all out of storage and had a look at them but I think I have collected mint copies of everything that existed from the 1st and 2nd editions of WFRP. The only thing I know that I don't have is the leather bound, signed, first edition rulebook that was sold in the 9/11 charity auction. I would , literally, pay several thousand pounds sterling for it because it is the only thing that I know exists that I don't have.


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