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Post Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:10 pm 
 

Hello, I live in the Seattle-Tacoma area and recently went to a swap meet and picked up several copies of AD&D books and modules. Many of these were stamped in red ink or marked in pen on the inside cover ( otherwise I would have to say they are in great shape with no marks at all). What intrigues me is that they are stamped Property of TSR or handwritten TSR Library with a date they were marked. Some also say Wizards Library.

My question to you is are they still worth anything or would that invalidate them to collectors?. These are common items such as G1-2-3 and and players handbooks and stuff like that.

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Post Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:01 pm 
 

maxwell, I'm sure you've had several PMs by now asking to sell/trade them, but I haven't actually heard much about the value of TSR archive items:  the brothers burntwire are the only folks I know offhand who've explicitly mentioned owning or selling TSR archival copies of modules.  

This might be a value enhancer (like an author signature), but I can't imagine it making a huge difference in the value of an item, especially if they're in used condition.

What books did you pick up?


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:14 pm 
 

Before you get too many private offers, I will warn you that they are indeed worth a bit more than standard copies - they are a finite, non-replenishable resource, if you will.  But they need some provenance to have majorly increased value.  For now, watch the burntwire auctions and then form your own opinion.  :)

  


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:41 pm 
 

Probably the best one I have is in red ink and it says TSR Games Library Sept 8th 1999 scrawled in it in red marker. It is on a L3 in otherwise good condition. That is really typical of all of these. Email is [email protected] I also have a one thats stamped Tsr Library and that is a world of greyhawk and one thats temple of tharizdun same way and a few others.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:05 pm 
 

D2 correction copy
S2 editorial copy
A3 editorial office copy
S2 property of TSR editorial copy
I also have these in this batch of stuff:
A1
A2
G2 Pastel
G3 Pastel
I1
I6
Q1
X2
S2
S2

These are all in good or better condition. Just giving an answer to someones ?
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Post Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:45 am 
 

darkseraphim wrote:Before you get too many private offers, I will warn you that they are indeed worth a bit more than standard copies - they are a finite, non-replenishable resource, if you will.  But they need some provenance to have majorly increased value.  For now, watch the burntwire auctions and then form your own opinion.  :)

Provenance is key, otherwise I'd get out my red pen right now and start adding value to all my modules. :)  Ok, I wouldn't, but undoubtedly someone would.

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:19 am 
 

Would it be possible for you to post pic's of those "red ink stamps, and red pen marks" to compare with other known TSR archive copies. This way there provenance could be established.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:11 pm 
 

invincibleoverlord wrote:Would it be possible for you to post pic's of those "red ink stamps, and red pen marks" to compare with other known TSR archive copies. This way there provenance could be established.


Yes and please be sure to get clear closeup pictures with clear and easily seen details. This will make it much easier for the rest of us to make our own rare and undistributed TSR archive copies. :twisted:

  

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:12 pm 
 

Who is to say that the ones he has now aren't copies themselves?


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Post Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:16 pm 
 

I think that the stamps and marks actually devaluate the item, authentic or not. I would never consider buying it. The only mark I would allow on an item is the designers autograph and then I'd still be looking for another copy in collectible condition.


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Post Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:20 pm 
 

The labels and such are very easy to forge - so I only recommend paying more if you can verify the item's origin.  It's the same issue with R-level tournament modules:  Know your source personally.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:03 pm 
 

I never considered collecting R prepubs. Just way too easy to forge. And knowing the source isn't good enuff. Just because the source is reputable doesn't mean that THEY got it from a reputable source. We all know Burnie is reputable, yet I have never met or known who he bought his prepubs from, therefore I cannot trust them.


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Post Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:55 pm 
 

Sorry Anoth I was only hoping someone here could prove their provenance, or hoping we could compare them to the Burntwire copies on eBay. I myself have no interest in forging anything; I'm a collector not a swindler, but I get your point.

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Post Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:37 pm 
 

This is similar (in principle) to the two books I have marked "Jon Pickens Office Copy" in blue pencil.    I believe the mark to be authentic, I'm pretty sure I picked them up at a Gen Con 10 years ago or so (not really sure when, but its been awhile ) but I also accept that it would be nearly impossible for anyone short of Jon to authenticate them.

So I simply decided to make those two books my personal copies - at least I know (or think I know) they're real and thus they increase the personal value, even if I don't see it as likely that anyone else would necessarily take my word for it.

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Post Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:53 am 
 

invincibleoverlord.

I am not so sure that you did get my true underlying point. Acaeum does not show certain aspects of some TSR rare items because they are so easy to duplicate if you know what the aspect is.

I do not know either if maxwell's items are authentic, but as others here have stated. I would be extremely reluctant to purchase something like that with no proof as to its authenticity.

As you, I would never truly do such a dishonorable thing as to fake an authentic item. But we may not be the only ones who look at this thread....

Others who have no honor might see those posted pics and do as I stated in jest above. Only they might actually sell the items that they faked to unsuspecting collectors. Where there is money, there will also be dishonesty and greed...

  
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