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Post Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:46 am 
 

More stuff from a rather large lot I recently purchased.
Old Azzed Dice... all are used, but seem good to me.

OK, anyone know some good stuff about these dice?
Should I sell them?
Make a trade for a Minty 1st Print Woodie, plus a brand new towncar to drive the Woodie Home in?  :lol:
Just use them like they were meant to be used, because they aint worth listing?

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:03 pm 
 

Kevin Cook will happily take the candy-pink d6 off you, even though it's a bit mauled. *jk*

The regular low-impact (non-Zocchi) sets were being sold "new" in original baggies by Noble Knight for $9.95 each not that long ago.

They'd sell better with an OCE, to be honest, since dice by themselves tend to be not particularly "valued" with very few exceptions - modern Crystal Caste dice of the better sort, dice with proven heritage/well known owners and possibly a few others such as first issue baggied Zocchis or the original 1970 UK-manufactured RPG percentiles (find them if you can!).


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:05 pm 
 

Nice to see you faro :)

I think you should keep them to complete boxes missing dice. I have several set of dice like this (or Gamescience for Chaosium box sets) to be able to complete some of my incomplete boxes.
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Post Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:36 pm 
 

Among those dice you have one complete set of the rainbow low-impact dice found in the early Holmes set:

White d20
Blue d12
Green d8
Red d6
Yellow d4

This set was also sold separately by TSR for $1.49 in ~77-78. See this catalog:
http://tomeoftreasures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4274

If you did try to sell them, I'd recommend highlighting this, or putting them with a Holmes set, an OCE as faro suggested, or something else from this time period.

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:12 pm 
 

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I have a d20 that looks exactly like this one. Blue, numbered 0-9 twice, once in black, once in red. I thought it was hand-colored, but now I see it must have been pre-inked. I don't remember what it came with. It's harder plastic than the old TSR dice. Is this from Gamescience?

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:41 pm 
 

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I have a d20 that looks exactly like this one. Blue, numbered 0-9 twice, once in black, once in red. I thought it was hand-colored, but now I see it must have been pre-inked. I don't remember what it came with. It's harder plastic than the old TSR dice. Is this from Gamescience?

This appears to be a GameScience die. These were not pre-inked in the day. You generally had to use a crayon to color the numbers. And since it was very common to have d20s numbered 0-9 twice instead of 1-20, you had to use two different color crayons to distinguish between the high and low numbers. Good times.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:39 pm 
 

I doubt it was pre-colored.  Hand coloring was the norm with that era of high impact dice.


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:42 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:I doubt it was pre-colored.  Hand coloring was the norm with that era of high impact dice.

Good point. :)

The obvious exception - in case any others do turn up - are the early UK percentiles (quite possibly the ones Dave Arneson was talking about; if he got his dates slightly wrong, since everything else tallies) which were relatively high impact from the start.
If my presumption is correct the earliest of those (1970/71) were uncolored but they were supplied pre-colored later (not at all sure when, unfortunately) - more or less essential given that the standard pair was one black, one red and it's a pain in the neck to read anything from a black die with no contrast.


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:31 pm 
 

The D20 in the picture is diffentiated from the others in being high impact.  The orange D8 and the yellow D12 might also be high impact (although the yellow D12 is inordinately large for a high impact of that type).

The early sets of dice with the Holmes Basic Set were low impact...as can be seen in the picture.  All of them have damaged corners, which happened with relatively brief useage.  (In fact, the near pristine edges on a few of them indicate that they were hardly rolled at all.  Low impact D20's would be battered almost round in a short time.)

It would be interesting to know what the 1970-71 dice were like.  High impact polyhedral dice appeared in my area around 1978-79.


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:37 pm 
 

faro wrote:it's a pain in the neck to read anything from a black die with no contrast.


You had to mark it with a white crayon, which was messy and often did not last long.


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:07 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:All of them have damaged corners, which happened with relatively brief useage.  (In fact, the near pristine edges on a few of them indicate that they were hardly rolled at all.  Low impact D20's would be battered almost round in a short time.)

Running late, but I'll need to (re-)post a photo of some of Bledsaw & Owen's original d20s some time. Never had any of ours end up quite so round as those and it's not as though we held back... A good sign, indeed. :)

FormCritic wrote:It would be interesting to know what the 1970-71 dice were like.  High impact polyhedral dice appeared in my area around 1978-79.

Needing more original baggies of Zocchi dice with their guarantee dates to determine how far and how quickly those spread! ;)

I'm still unable to tell for sure which dice Dave Arneson was referring to in his recollections since he believed that was back into the 1960s in London and I need to double-check whether the stated Japanese percentile dice were available here at that time. The remainder of the story 'bout store location, etc., tallies more than not, along with his comment regarding "little boxes" of 20-sided dice since the box (original? not certain) these came in holds 10 dice perfectly.
I suspect Dave was also in agreement with Don Featherstone's comment (February 1972) that 20-sided dice "added to the mysterious and puzzling atmosphere". :)

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These were only ever sold in red and black pairs as far as I know, right back to October 1970, so the green die rather throws the cat amongst the pigeons.

It's possible the uncolored dice are an early sample since the original owner had been playing earlier but was also involved in the startup of one UK gaming company in 1971. Impossible to tell for sure at present, unfortunately.
The uncolored dice also appear to be made of a compound that's fractionally less hard (unscientifically tested!) and are more roughly broken off - along one edge, rather than at a vertex per the Zocchi dice a long time later. The colored dice are not colored in crayon, even if they're showing their worst faces in the photo.
They're slightly smaller than most d20s and the number sequence is different - very helpfully matching that shown in the UK adverts a few years later!

Anyone else seen these? Would be interested to know the context, if so, since they were made for quite a few years.

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