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Post Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:06 pm 
 

Apparently included in the 2nd-4th printings of the brown box.
No picture given on the OD&D page here.

Does it come up separately?
If so, rough value?

  


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:52 am 
 

john huckerby offered a set of sheets a few years ago, but don't recall whether that included the correction sheet.  Other than that, I don't have the impression they come up that often.  Guess the value would depend on whether it was an obvious era-correct xerox or original.

$25 - 50, maybe?  :D


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:23 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:08 pm 
 

Followup #1:

We DID get a set of Ref Sheets with the Errata on page 1 (later replaced by a 'title page' for the package).

But darned if I can remember what it sold for. We'll find out when the database emerges.

Now... has anyone seen OD&D errata on a separate sheet, not on page 1 of the usual Ref sheets?

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:02 pm 
 

Is this the one you mean, Frank?:  http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/setpage ... rrata.html

If so, my 3rd/3rd/2nd hybrid OD&D set definitely includes it, as a separate sheet of paper (Corrections on side 1, blank on side 2).


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:14 pm 
 

Yep, have seen it in 1st and 3rd print woodgrains.   :D


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:07 pm 
 

> Now... has anyone seen OD&D errata on a separate sheet, not on page 1 of the usual Ref sheets?

Late 1st prints through 3rds, inclusive. *nods*


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:16 pm 
 

i checked my brown boxes. of the nine of them, only two had a separate stand alone errata sheet: the boxes of tim kask and brian blume. the nm condition one i got from my brother-in-law who bought it back in 1974 does NOT have one inside it, and he didn't throw out anything, so draw from that what you will....

  


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:23 pm 
 

on a related topic, i would like to point out that i have never claimed that tim kask's brown box that i own is a pre-publication version. tim has said often that he bought it at gencon in 1974. when i was checking my brown boxes just now, and looked inside Tim's, i came across a 4-page flyer advertising gencon 1974. that really should probably put this topic to rest. foul, please change the heading from brown box, pre-publication to brown box, 1st tsr employee....

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:37 pm 
 

> i checked my brown boxes. of the nine of them, only two had a separate stand alone errata sheet: the boxes of tim kask and brian blume.

No surprise as the sheets, especially the errata sheet, tended to go awol but a bit of a pity on "completeness" nonetheless.

> the nm condition one i got from my brother-in-law who bought it back in 1974 does NOT have one inside it, and he didn't throw out anything, so draw from that what you will....

I wouldn't expect that set to contain the variant 1st print U&WA, if so (q.v. viewtopic.php?p=21767&highlight=variant#21767 )??

> that really should probably put this topic to rest. foul, please change the heading from brown box, pre-publication to brown box, 1st tsr employee....

Still personally can't see any particular reason for listing that separately since it was never a separate printing/edition as opposed to a "box without a label": thanks for the re-confirmation, Bill. The non price-altered 1st GH is more obviously "different" given the additional point on guillotine height vs. all other 1sts and even that's likely only a "variation" (or, at /best/, a test copy) rather than a separate "printing".


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:50 pm 
 

I bought the brown box with first print books and no paste on labels that was on Ebay last fall with the confusing listing.  It had the off color first print book three and reference sheets.  More interesting than the ex libris Edward C. Beck stamped inside, (a name which I do not recognize... were the math scribbles and the signature of George Seymour (sp?) on the underside of the box cover.  A buddy found George Seymour listed as the author of an early game related article, but I don't remember which one, etc.

I thought the theory was that the off color first print books were "in between" first and second print.  Why bother putting labels on boxes for employees, friends or contributors that aren't being sold?  Some of them probably just grabbed a box to throw the books in and didn't give a hoot.  Could be Tractics boxes too though.  I was mainly interested in the first print books.  

Is there a way to tell first from second print boxes, or is it just wishful thinking that a set has a "first print" box.... unless there is solid provenance?


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:56 pm 
 

My reference sheets include the corrections' sheet as a separate sheet tucked into the middle, fyi.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:08 pm 
 

> I thought the theory was that the off color first print books were "in between" first and second print.

That's only a clearly visible change on U&WA, both for the cardstock and alignment of the cover elements: the other differences in 1st print books are still debatable/questionable since those (apparent) slight changes in book height and red/green colors could be trends within a given print run.
Small print runs would, however, make sense given the proximity of the printer to TSR HQ and the manner in which incomplete sets /were/ sold more so early on, but the recollections from BITD from various individuals is contradictory and unhelpful with regards to confirming such matters definitively.

> Why bother putting labels on boxes for employees, friends or contributors that aren't being sold?

A sensible point, agreed.
The assertion was that there were (only) two mass box assembly runs but I can't see how anyone could possibly ensure the correct number of well printed labels, non-faulty boxes & books, etc., so "left overs" /should/ have been inevitable even if that were the case.

> Is there a way to tell first from second print boxes, or is it just wishful thinking that a set has a "first print" box.... unless there is solid provenance?

The transition from horizontal to vertical grain from the various 1sts through to 2nd print is perhaps not definitive but still appears to be indicative (see also the woodgrain Tractics, for example).
There's probably a degree of mix-and-match both from later dates at TSR (even if the examples seen don't seem to bear that out to quite the same degree as noted by ex-staffers) and/or owners post-TSR.

02c anyhow, as before. :)


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:08 pm 
 

since you asked david, i checked: tim's copy and my b-i-law copy both have 1st print book 3's and not variant 1st prints (as per your 2005 post). you don't really want me to check the other ones do you? :-)

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:17 pm 
 

stratochamp wrote:since you asked david, i checked: tim's copy and my b-i-law copy both have 1st print book 3's and not variant 1st prints (as per your 2005 post). you don't really want me to check the other ones do you? :-)

*lol*. It was your brother-in-law's copy that was "good to have confirmed" and that tallies AOK for released copies (i.e. "early 1st" = no errata sheet as a general trend), thanks. Tim could, unfortunately(!?), have picked up an errata sheet at any time so his wouldn't help for confirmation one way or another.

Yeah, that was 5+ years ago and we're still covering more-or-less the same ground; although research never really ends, does it? :)


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:52 am 
 

Well, at least we've firmly established that there are two OD&D errata formats: single sheet (blank back) and page 1 of the ref sheet pack.

Always like to have things come together and firm up. :)

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