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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:21 pm

I am finally going through some of my Judges Guild items to try and figure out what I have. I have a copy of Survival of the Fittest but it is a white book with a guy with a sword standing with one foot on a rock. The catalog at the back matches the 1st print ( "Other Great Fantasy from Judges Guild" upto #97).

The cover is different so I was wondering if this is suppose to have a green cover sheet and I am just missing it? It doesn't look like anything was ripped away from the staples so I am guessing that the cover sheet was not staple but in the scan here it almost looks like it is.

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:55 pm

Yeah, you are missing the entire green cover. It does look like a book all on its own without it though, so can see the confusion. The image on the back of the product list is the same as the Dungeoneer 17 image.

Any other findings..always looking for new printings.

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:07 pm

That's what I thought - my copy isn't in the best condition either. Nothing else unusual so far.

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:52 pm

I will go look...I believe I have two different colors of Survival of the Fittest.

Is that what you meant?

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:20 pm

FormCritic wrote:I will go look...I believe I have two different colors of Survival of the Fittest.

Is that what you meant?

I just have the 1st print booklet by itself. I wasn't sure if the green cover sheet was loose (in which case I am missing it) or stapled to the book (in which case I have a different printing).

It seems as is probably pretty typical, the loose cover sheet has gone missing.

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:51 am

Mine is stapled to the book

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:47 am

Yeah the green cover is stapled to the book, full cover I should have stated as wrap around or front and back. Sorry for any confusion there.

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:58 am

Plaag wrote:Yeah the green cover is stapled to the book,

I will put up some scans of my copy then. By looking at the staples, I don't think a cover sheet was attached to this book.

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:33 am

Looking these over now..have a question of my own for those with the 2nd print: regarding the numbered page 19, is there a good sized ink blot on the page?

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:50 am

Here are some pictures:

I left them big so hopefully I've linked them properly. I'm not sure if there would be any differences between this and the first print but one place might be the space between "D&D adventure" on line 3 of the first inside page. "D&D" is also in bold here.

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:07 am

Yeah those pages match exactly with my 1st.

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:12 am

That is the ink blot and moving the one bit up a little makes the thing look like a skull

Now I swear I've seen that skull before in some Judges Guild product (no not the one at the back of Booklet L - I checked) or am I just seeing strange images where there should not be any

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:26 am

Plaag wrote:That is the ink blot and moving the one bit up a little makes the thing look like a skull

Is the Skull animated? Open and close mouthed as you flip through pages

About the SotF, I thought it would match up. The only thing that is suspect is that if you look at the staples in the first image, they are very tight to the book so I don't think a cover sheet would have been attached. There is also no signs that such a sheet was ripped off.

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:45 pm

Mars wrote:
Is the Skull animated? Open and close mouthed as you flip through pages

About the SotF, I thought it would match up. The only thing that is suspect is that if you look at the staples in the first image, they are very tight to the book so I don't think a cover sheet would have been attached. There is also no signs that such a sheet was ripped off.

Mouths the words KILL, but hey at least its not SELL YOUR STUFF. :wink:

Wonder if any RPG has done that though, create a little flip book animation.

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:19 pm

Plaag wrote:Wonder if any RPG has done that though, create a little flip book animation.

I feel strongly that more books should have flip book animation. I am thinking I should include one in my thesis that I am currently writing.

Your book though I think is probably cursed and just keeps saying BUY MORE BUY MORE!

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:26 pm

Plaag wrote:Wonder if any RPG has done that though, create a little flip book animation.

West End Games's 1994 Paranoia supplement CTV/ParaNormal did it. (Actually, it did both definitions of "flip book". It had the animation, and it was two books in one -- you flipped one over to access the other book.)

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:54 pm

g026r wrote:
West End Games's 1994 Paranoia supplement CTV/ParaNormal did it. (Actually, it did both definitions of "flip book". It had the animation, and it was two books in one -- you flipped one over to access the other book.)

Now let us never speak of it again.

Nice.

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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:54 am

I have a copy of Survival of the Fittest. It has the designer note "Note to Second Edition: Some Folks asked, so now the map of the dungeon is included on the last page. Don't peek unless you really gotta!"

The JG subweb notes this as one of the hallmarks of a third printing, but the "Treasure Vault" list only goes up to 160, as in the second printing. Also there IS a map on the last page. What printing do you think this is?

It also has the skull inkblot on p. 19, btw.

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