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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:37 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
i just checked, i have 3, 4, 5, 7, 8....

well it will give me something to do looking for the other 3 :)

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6 maybe the tough one, being as there is only 1 printing.

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:45 pm 
 

well i will get it one of these days :)

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:31 pm 
 

Good luck!

#6 shouldn't be that rare on a print count basis, but the 'zine going on hiatus (after already running late) probably didn't help with circulation beyond the initial subscriber and distribution copies.
Would love to know how many were dropped over to the UK by then...

As to absolute rarity, 1st print #1 should still be the most elusive, I'm sure.
Considered myself fairly lucky to pick up a half-decent 2nd print for ~$15 from a reseller, but can't recall seeing a 1st, off-hand.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:46 pm 
 

Faro wrote:

Is that a mailed copy of #7, btw? Don't remember seeing those seal tabs before.


Good spot David. Issues 1-6 all have the same staple marks, and #7 has the seal tab. All of these issues here are subscription copies mailed to the same person.

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The other thing I noticed was the #7 had a bulk rate mark, as apposed the previous 6 issues having stamps. Our #8 has no mailing information or staple/seal tab present. It appears to be a newsstand copy.

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One cool thing I noticed thanks to you was…

As to absolute rarity, 1st print #1 should still be the most elusive, I'm sure.


I hadn't noticed all the further research into the Dungeoneer, so after finding this.

http://www.acaeum.com/jg/DungeoneerMags1-6.html

I was quite happy!   :)

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1st print - June 76


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:17 pm 
 

*g*. I should've spotted the staple marks on the previous scan and connected that with the 013 subscriber number. Cool! :D

Interesting reversion to the original banner for the final reprint. Guess that threw me, too; or at least confused my understanding given the "scan required" image over here. :)

thx for the confirmation, Mike. ^^


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:23 pm 
 

I was just back looking at the Dungeoneer page, and I think the picture describing a 3rd print should be the 1st. The copy without a stated #1, "Dungeoneer" inside a drooping banner like above, and postmarked June 76 would seem to be the 1st print given the early date.

The pic for the stated 2nd print (below) appears to say July -- August 76? Or is that 77? With "reprint" written below? It's hard to tell. What's your's say David?

So would that make a 3rd print like a second with "Dungeoner" heading written out the same but  latter dated? Anyone have a copy?

To further my theory, it appears the typeset for the reprinted issue 1 came from the "Dungeoneer" heading format from issue 2.

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:48 pm 
 

invincibleoverlord wrote:I was just back looking at the Dungeoneer page, and I think the picture describing a 3rd print should be the 1st. The copy without a stated #1, "Dungeoneer" inside a drooping banner like above, and postmarked June 76 would seem to be the 1st print given the early date.

The color of the cover paper/cardstock for the 3rd print is different, I think. Wasn't totally sure 'bout that before but now that you've confirmed your subscriber #13 copy... :)
(see also http://www.stud.uni-hamburg.de/users/af ... g/dg01.jpg ?)
There's presumably a further indication on the back cover as to reprint status on the 3rd. Shane will have had that info from Adrian?

invincibleoverlord wrote:The pic for the stated 2nd print (below) appears to say July -- August 76? Or is that 77? With "reprint" written below? It's hard to tell. What's your's say David?

IIRC it was the same as the "July - August 1976"/"REPRINT" (=2nd print) copy shown both on the site and above.

invincibleoverlord wrote:To further my theory, it appears the typeset for the reprinted issue 1 came from the "Dungeoneer" heading format from issue 2.

Yup; went over to using that for the reprint #1 for the sake of consistency, but then reverted (apparently) to the original format for whatever reason... (still before #6 was released)?
Original artwork format must've remained on-hand if so, since it's a perfect match as far as I can see.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:00 pm 
 

Ah... that does ring a bell now.
"Paul wrote that the first edition of issue #1 has a tan cardstock cover."
http://www.stud.uni-hamburg.de/users/af ... index.html

What does "tan" look like to you, Mike?! :)

Not quite sure whether I'd call yours "tan", but that does appear different to the #1 listed on site (stated 3rd print) and poss. on Afterglow, unless the lighting conditions are very different.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:44 pm 
 

*reads your second follow-up post*

This has me going through the research processes as well.  :wink:

I see --- what you're saying is the 3rd print could have reverted back to the cover with the "drooping banner" and being absent of stating issue #1.

This leads to questions:

Is the 3rd printing pictured here on the Acaeum differentiated by an august 77 postmark (the date being given), or is it stated within the text? My thought here would be the postmark could vary as these reprints were ordered over months. Unlike the bulk mailing date of the 1st print subscriptions that were filled.

And like your searching for, is there a difference in paper stock, color, or both?
 
Lots of questions here.

Cool stuff David. Great to be back working with you... :)


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:07 am 
 

Faro wrote:

What does "tan" look like to you, Mike?!


Subject to opinion, so let's all compare…

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The first is a clearer photo of our copy with minimum light distortion.

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The second is that long observed and drooled over photo from the Afterglow.

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The third is the one listed as the 3rd print. It does look a little greener.

Thoughts anyone?


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:09 am 
 

invincibleoverlord wrote:Thoughts?


I think I'd like to own them all :D


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:27 am 
 

Well I've emailed Adrian..as for the pic sent me (unaltered regarding size and dpi) it is the 'greener' type compared with the others.

I personally have these:
Dungeoneer Issue 01 (2nd Printing)
Dungeoneer Issue 02 (2nd Printing)
Dungeoneer Issue 03 (1st Printing)
Dungeoneer Issue 04 (1st Printing)
Dungeoneer Issue 05
Dungeoneer Issue 06

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:31 am 
 

IO: Your mailed #7 include the letter?

http://www.acaeum.com/jg/Item0085.html

Judges Guild detectives are at it again, this is a return to the 'older days' :D

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:46 am 
 

indeed! far better reading that ummm "other stuff"

this is what i always liked about this site!

would love to get my hands on the remainder i am missing....

bah other things to do before that, such as jaunts across the sahara again - not much chance of finding them there :D

good work guys

i look on in envy!

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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:29 pm 
 

Whilst waiting for confirmation to the above...

@IO: Would I be correct in guessing that there's no "SB02MAU013" written on that copy of #1, above?
i.e. That it was either purchased in advance or sent out as a freebie single issue to Mr.(?) Mauzey and their actual subscription started from issue #2. Ditto for Tadashi's.

Having dug out #5 & 6 here, #5 has "SB05WAGN103": i.e. not picking up subscribers at a huge rate if I read that correctly and difficult to explain "over 200" by #6 save through the number of new subscribers that may have been accumulating whilst that issue was busy being late...

Mailing date for #5: July 30, 1977
#6: Dec 22, 1977 (same recipient, no subscriber code)
Check?

(With any luck you have a much earlier date on #5... ;))


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:56 pm 
 

... and another two Chronicle Cards found (total now three :?) inside that other copy of the Crown of The Summerlands tourney per the 2002/6 thread; viewtopic.php?p=50242&highlight=#50242

Looks contemporary enough so I doubt that tourney is much after 1980, Brette. (Also makes reference to the PH, but not the DMG; the latter might've been expected given some of the other quirky notes re. disallowed (house) rules on that intro page?).


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:09 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:

IO: Your mailed #7 include the letter?


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Yes the letter is present.

Judges Guild detectives are at it again, this is a return to the 'older days'


*packs beautifully carved Dunhill pipe and asks Watson for our copies of the Dungeoneer*   :D  :wink:

Faro wrote:

@IO: Would I be correct in guessing that there's no "SB02MAU013" written on that copy of #1, above?


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Correct.

i.e. That it was either purchased in advance or sent out as a freebie single issue to Mr.(?) Mauzey and their actual subscription started from issue #2. Ditto for Tadashi's.


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Yes, subscriptions pick up here with #2. Not sure if our #1 was complentary or purchased in advance via a preorder from a convention or another publication.
Does anyone know of a Bill Mauzely and why he may have been influential enough for a complementary copy?

Another copy of issue #1 like this was sold in an auction of Paul's. It was addressed to a TRS alum. I can't remember to who, but I remember it went cheep. Anyone know the auction I'm talking about?

Having dug out #5 & 6 here, #5 has "SB05WAGN103": i.e. not picking up subscribers at a huge rate if I read that correctly and difficult to explain "over 200" by #6 save through the number of new subscribers that may have been accumulating whilst that issue was busy being late...

Mailing date for #5: July 30, 1977
#6: Dec 22, 1977 (same recipient, no subscriber code)
Check?


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#5 here has June 30, 1977 if I'm reading the stamp right…

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And #6 back on track with December 22, 1977.


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:03 pm 
 

As a side note into the research I've aligned the intended issue dates with the actual ones. Also the mailing dates.

Issue #1 intended:   July -- August  76.  Cover states: July -- August    76*

*reprint only. The 1st print #1 does not state #1 or July --August.

Mailed on June 29, 1976

My thoughts here are when Paul reprinted #1 he included what would have been the original Bi-monthly months coinciding with issue #1.

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The above is from the back page of issue #3 stating a reprint of issue #1 and also apologizing for the magazine falling behind schedule. Here, issue #3 calendared to be Nov -- Dec 76, but labeled Nov- Dec- Jan, and mailed Jan 5, 77.

So reprinted #1's come after this date? Do either of you guys have dated mailed copies of the 2nd print? Or is it stated somewhere in the text March 77 for the second print? It states it will be out in a couple of weeks, but as seen here, things lean twords months late.

Issue #2 intended: September - October   76. Cover states: September -- October 76

Mailed on October 8, 1976

Issue #3 intended: November - December  76.  Cover states: Nov -- Dec -- Jan (no year given)

Mailed on January 5, 1977

Issue #4 intended: January -- February 77.  Cover states: February  - March 1977

Mailed on March 12, 1977

Issue #5 intended: March -- April 77. Cover states: April -- May 1977

Mailed on June 30, 1977

Issue# 6 intended: May -- June 77. Cover states: June- July- August- September- October- November -- December 1977

Mailed on December 22, 1977

This is where I believe the magazine became to much for just Paul.  Here the zine falls 6 months behind schedule. And the back page states the Fantastic Dungeoneering Society will no longer be publishing the zine.

Issue #7 intended: July - August  77. Cover states: March -- April 78.

Mailed on ???  bulk rate stamp -- no date given.

Issue #8 intended: Setember - October  77. Cover states: May -- June 1978

Mailed on ???   newsstand copy with no mailing information.



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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:59 pm 
 

#1 2nd print has March 1977 near the end of the Publishers' Statement.
My copy was not mailed.

At the back of #4 Paul states he intended to have #4 and reprint #1 out at the end of Jan, but states: 'Here it is now the middle of March...'

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:38 am 
 

Good spot Plaag...That definately ties into the second printings given date.

Could you post a photo of the Publishers Statement with the second printing date? I'm guessing it's the same Publishers statement from the 1st print issue #1 above with Second Printing March 77 added?

Now if we could varafy a true third printing with the August date.

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