i have sealed 2nd prints and they all have the boat-maps in them. all the 1st prints i have ever had (from various sources) never have, but shane thinks that they did.

#69 flotilla one is basically the boat maps for sea steeds #66.

i think the 1st print (white book) didnt have them, so they released #69, so ppl could have them, then they released the 2nd print (light blue book) which had the maps with them.

i have always thought that, but the judges guild dynamo that is shane (:D) will put us straight when he reads this.

Al

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.  It's amazing that any question I ask on this forum gets answered within hours.  I wish there was a forum where I could ask the bigger questions of the Universe and get such prompt (and informative) replies!  But I guess that answer's always 42, no?

6, huh?  My view of the universe just veered sharply.  And yes, the highest number in the product list is 61.

Plaag wrote:
** expired/removed eBay auction **


One of these is up for auction from Fencert.

ShaneG.

it doesnt have the boat maps



Al

killjoy32 wrote:[A]ll the 1st prints i have ever had (from various sources) never have, but shane thinks that they did.

I wrote to Shane earlier this year and sent him some scans at that time.  We discussed the 1st print that I have that includes maps.  I can not say with absolute certainty that the maps came with the first print, but I have no recollection buying them sepately and I am the original owner of my 1st print Sea Steeds and Wave Riders.

Ok, one more question about this module... are both maps identical?  The two I have seem to be the same, but that seems odd to me.

lucyjoyce wrote:Ok, one more question about this module... are both maps identical?  The two I have seem to be the same, but that seems odd to me.

Yep, and you have to remember that back then people wrote on the maps, generally abused them, so why not two

killjoy32 wrote:well the thing is, i genuinely dont know whether the 1st had maps or not. i must have purchased it from about a dozen different sources in the UK and US and none have ever had maps.

i just wonder, as before, why they would even bother bringing out #69 if the #66 1st had maps? would seem somewhat pointless to me.



anyway i will leave this one in shane's more than capable hands.

Al

I've gone with you on this in the past, but you know I just made a point against it above
I've seen sold a 1st in SW with the maps (saved that pic too), and well maybe it was included...since other maps are sold separately. Discounting maps with the coversheet being apart of it..#530 is the earliest numbered product (maybe not in the print history side of things atm, but when I know that ..well you'll know ) that has maps that are not sold separately.
Maybe James can ask Mr. Bledsaw about this..I've not had any communication via email for some time.

ShaneG.

We Judges Guild collectors LOVE dead threads.

Did you get the booklet, or did you get Flotilla One?

Nice Hantlers wrote:It's the the booklet (no. 66) bundled with the two maps in shrink wrap.  After I got it, I looked it up and noticed that the description says that the 1st print booklet did not include the maps.  Then, I found this thread and saw where Plaag mentioned having seen a photo of a set like this before.

Here's the auction where I bought it.  I presume that the seller, JasonZavoda, is the JZavoda from this forum.

$10 with free delivery is a pretty good price for that set.



I originally bought Flotilla One (decades ago) and was puzzled mightily that what I found inside was only ship plans.



It was decades later that I learned about Sea Steeds and Wave Riders.



I'd say you did pretty well.  My suspicion is that you have a first print Sea Steeds and Wave Riders with Flotilla One attached as a later marketing choice.  Judges Guild would mix and match all the time...and Sea Steeds and Wave Riders without the ship plans couldn't have been a big seller.