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Post Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:36 am 
 

Aha. Well, I sent that version to Clark, so all should be well.  :)

  

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Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:42 pm 
 

So inquiring minds want to know -- what are the differences between the Gamescience Tegel Manor and the Judges Guild versions?

http://www.acaeum.com/jg/OC-GameScienceTegelManor.html
http://www.acaeum.com/jg/Item0027.html

I just got a copy of the Gamescience version but haven't seen inside any of the JG printings to compare.  The copy on the cover says it's "Revised and Expanded" but doesn't specify how.

I'd say the Universal System stats are probably a later addition, since the original version's for D&D, and then obviously there's the art by Niels Erikson on every other page.    But are there any other substantive differences?

  

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Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:56 pm 
 

Gamescience version has every room described in much more detail...Old Tegel was roughly 2-3 lines to describe each room, Gamescience uses 4-5 times that. The GS version also changes various creatures encountered, I assume due to not having TSR permission to use certain creatures.

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Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:57 pm 
 

That was a fast reply -- thank you!  

Looks like it's still worth looking for a copy of the older version, then.

  

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Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:01 pm 
 

When one discounts the emotional impact of owning the original product....

...I am quite impressed with my copy of the Gamescience version of Tegel Manor.


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Post Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:53 am 
 

Now that I know the original version only gave 2-3 lines of text per room, I appreciate my newly acquired Revised & Expanded all the more.  Erickson's art is not at all bad -- kind of Jeff Dee-like -- and if I were to run it someday I'd be happy to have the extra context for encounters.  

It's still pretty concise (or bare-bones) by modern standards.  That's what makes me curious to see how much was added!  And of course there's a historical value to the original that any collector can understand.

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:06 am 
 

You might be pleased to know that an updated to 3.5 version is scheduled to come out later this year.  It has stayed as close to the original as possible.  Rumor has it Necromancer is going to do full scale miniature maps of the manor.

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:01 am 
 

ST you aint really got a tegel til youve got one of the originals :)

but then, i would say that.

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Post Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:31 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:ST you aint really got a tegel til youve got one of the originals :)

but then, i would say that.

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And of course you really only need one, unlike some of us :D

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Post Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:29 pm 
 

Al, Shane -- don't worry that I'll slack off!  My hand won't leave my sword-hilt till I've got a JG Tegel to call my own. :wink:

  

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Post Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:05 pm 
 

stumbling tiger wrote:Al, Shane -- don't worry that I'll slack off!  My hand won't leave my sword-hilt till I've got a JG Tegel to call my own. :wink:


i really should sell some of these. i just dont have the time to sort it these days...too busy man!



  

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Post Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:20 am 
 

Another difference between JG and Gamescience versions is that references to the batrachian deity Tsathoggus have been changed into the generic goddess Nivatopredi. I don't quite understand why Niels Erickson did this, but I don't like it. Otherwise, it is a pretty fine product, and the style of writing is impeccable.

Plus they added a few charts - e.g. on pit traps and an alternative to the deck of many things.

  


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Post Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:29 am 
 

Melan wrote:Another difference between JG and Gamescience versions is that references to the batrachian deity Tsathoggus have been changed into the generic goddess Nivatopredi. I don't quite understand why Niels Erickson did this, but I don't like it. Otherwise, it is a pretty fine product, and the style of writing is impeccable.


Perhaps legal worries of some sort?  (Just a guess here, based on the name's and description's similarity to Tsathoggua.)

  


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Post Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:37 am 
 

Looks the Judges Guild and Gamescience versions of Tegel Manor may very well wind up being the only versions of the module to be published.  Necromancer is stalling using the possibility of 4E not to release their version just yet ... check the first post in the thread by Tsathogga.

http://p208.ezboard.com/fnecromancergamesfrm9.showMessage?topicID=560.topic

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:10 am 
 

If 4e is announced this year (and if OGL) at GenCon, then I think this will be delayed till around GenCon next year..if not then I hope it can still be released sometime this year.
It will be released though, just delayed pending news of 4e.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:00 am 
 

and its also like blasphemy to me old tegel manor :(

pure sacrilege i tell you ! :)

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:45 am 
 

WereSteve wrote:Looks the Judges Guild and Gamescience versions of Tegel Manor may very well wind up being the only versions of the module to be published.  Necromancer is stalling using the possibility of 4E not to release their version just yet ... check the first post in the thread by Tsathogga.

http://p208.ezboard.com/fnecromancergamesfrm9.showMessage?topicID=560.topic


What's that bit on the last line of the bottom message about?

Now if they say that City of Brass won't be at Gencon... that's another issue.


Are they releasing a D20 version of City of Brass at Gencon?

EDIT: Okay, I see what they are referring to - not an RJK product.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:59 am 
 

Is the original version (not the one that says Original on the cover) rare or something? I've been looking or this damned thing (granted, not everyday, or every week) for about 3 years and I never see it come up... oh well. I'll keep the hunt alive. I thought I was not destined to get a Dark Tower either.


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Post Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:30 am 
 

WOTC looks to be moving to 4th edition.  They have closed down Dragon and Dungeon, so they are essentially jettisoning their old guard of customers.

The arrival of Gleemax tends to indicate that WOTC has evaluated the benefits of keeping their established fan base and has decided that they are throwing good money after bad.

Something like 4th edition D&D would seem to be entirely in character.

I believe it will be entirely miniatures-oriented...since that seems to be where the money and the younger fan base are concentrated.

People at WOTC are probably figuring that since a new edition of the game is inevitable at some point, they might as well make a clean break.  From a business standpoint, it isn't bad logic.

Ironically, if things in the teaching world keep going like they are, I will be driving over to Renton and putting in an application.


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Post Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:50 am 
 

serleran wrote:Is the original version (not the one that says Original on the cover) rare or something? I've been looking or this damned thing (granted, not everyday, or every week) for about 3 years and I never see it come up... oh well. I'll keep the hunt alive. I thought I was not destined to get a Dark Tower either.


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i have a few of these lying around. i am, rather unsuccessfully just now, trying to sort stuff out, so i can sell a load of stuff, but finding the time just now is like holding back the sea with a bucket.

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