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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:46 am 
 

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Got to love the internet, cause I now know what that means :wink:

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lol :)

hey did you get an e-mail i sent a little earlier?

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:50 am 
 

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lol :)

hey did you get an e-mail i sent a little earlier?

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Aye, now I can make sure you don't forget about Tegel those days :wink: :D

((oh and everyone else check the previous page for the On Topic news I posted :) ))

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:09 am 
 

Plaag wrote:
Aye, now I can make sure you don't forget about Tegel those days :wink: :D

((oh and everyone else check the previous page for the On Topic news I posted :) ))

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oops yes sorry about that. IMPORTANT TEGEL NEWS at the start of the topic before Al hijacked it as normal.

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:10 am 
 

i still go back to my original point with regards to all this.

JG being what they were back in the day, i am still very convinced that a lot of the items were mis-matched anyway and cant believe for one second that everything was so well structured, because there was no chance it could have been!

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:34 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:i still go back to my original point with regards to all this.

JG being what they were back in the day, i am still very convinced that a lot of the items were mis-matched anyway and cant believe for one second that everything was so well structured, because there was no chance it could have been!

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Yeah I know, especially later on when it was others doing all the shipping, etc..even Bob would discover inventory was wrong. (CSWE comes to mind)

Though there has to be a sequence, Judges Guild didn't print all the maps for instance at once on different paper (I know this cause I was at the discussion meeting at last years GenCon - may have to look at those notes again for other stuff). So sure orders after the fact may have a different 'printing' component, but there must be a 'majority' if you will that are more uniform. I can only assume somethings on the site as I didn't buy everything in SW or Installment Envelopes.
The human factor (talking Judges Guild employees since items were in SW) has messed up various products, I've got a few of them, what with a map added here, extra this or that. Tac cards are a jumble when you look at the 1st print, no set has matched (but I'm keeping track ;) ).
My only thing regarding Tegel though is the blank coversheet, I mean I can place the others, but that one is the oddity.

It maybe something that needs to be really discussed if prices are going to be put on the site, because I don't want to be the reason for someone loosing out on money because their set isn't 100% like what the site says. Course somethings people could care less about as long as its got all of its components.

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:58 pm 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &rd=1&rd=1



Waiting for this to arrive.  What do you think of the price?  How did I do?


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:47 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:What do you think of the price?  How did I do?

That's about what I paid for mine.  However, I don't have the little insert card as shown in the picture.  Let us know what that is all about.

  

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** expired eBay auction **


Waiting for this to arrive.  What do you think of the price?  How did I do?




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thats about spot on that! nice one...lovely condition too.



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Post Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:15 am 
 

I think $10-$15 is bout right for this book.  The Gamescience edition with the white cover is worth a bit more maybe $25-$30.  Are the Gamescience versions covered on JG subweb?

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:52 pm 
 

Mars wrote:I think $10-$15 is bout right for this book.  The Gamescience edition with the white cover is worth a bit more maybe $25-$30.  Are the Gamescience versions covered on JG subweb?


http://www.acaeum.com/jg/OC-GameScienceTegelManor.html

Heck yeah :)

Mark, yeah they go for around that much, so its a good buy. Plus you got a Gamescience (small catalog) with it.

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:23 pm 
 

http://www.acaeum.com/jg/OC-GameScienceTegelManor.html

Interesting, but you either you forgot to mention or didn't know that the Gamescience version of Tegel Manor as written is incomplete.  It does not contain all of the material in the original version published by Judges Guild as Gamescience was not provided with an original copy of the module, only an apparently incomplete photocopy from Bob Bledsaw's personal collection.  So when it came time to update the module ... oopsie.

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:56 pm 
 

http://www.acaeum.com/jg/OC-GameScienceTegelManor.html

My copy arrived today.  The booklet is in essentially mint condition...even better than the listing let on.

The maps are printed on white paper...a bit puzzling to me.  Although they are pristine, and appear to be professionally folded, they also look like photocopies.

Could these be the result of a quick photocopy process involving the original Tegel maps...done by Gamescience?  Or, are they something else?

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Oh...and the Gamescience catalog is from 1996.


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:19 pm 
 

http://www.acaeum.com/jg/JudgesGuildOtherCompanies.html

They printed the maps with black ink on white paper to be easier to read. But yeah it has to be simply a photocopy of the map and not redrawn. (Maybe at some point I'll try and see if I can tell what printing this was photocopied from.)

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:54 am 
 

WereSteve wrote:http://www.acaeum.com/jg/OC-GameScienceTegelManor.html

Interesting, but you either you forgot to mention or didn't know that the Gamescience version of Tegel Manor as written is incomplete.  It does not contain all of the material in the original version published by Judges Guild as Gamescience was not provided with an original copy of the module, only an apparently incomplete photocopy from Bob Bledsaw's personal collection.  So when it came time to update the module ... oopsie.

Could you mention where these gaps are found? I have read both versions extensively, and didn't find them (except that GS took some creative liberties with things I wouldn't have - like the Tsathoggus cultists).

  


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Post Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:37 pm 
 

Melan wrote:Could you mention where these gaps are found? I have read both versions extensively, and didn't find them (except that GS took some creative liberties with things I wouldn't have - like the Tsathoggus cultists).


I don't remember the exact sections that are missing or otherwise skewed ... just that there were some discrepancies when it came time for Necro to do the 3.5 version, so they wound up having to use both and reconcile the differences.  That's one of the reasons the new release has been taking so long.

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:58 pm 
 

Melan's the one who did the conversion. :)



  

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:50 pm 
 

[W]hen it came time for Necro to do the 3.5 version, so they wound up having to use both and reconcile the differences.
Why would anyone bother to use the GameScience revision in making the conversion to 3.5?  You seem more than a little vague in your assertions.  :P

  

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:53 am 
 

WereSteve wrote:
I don't remember the exact sections that are missing or otherwise skewed ... just that there were some discrepancies when it came time for Necro to do the 3.5 version, so they wound up having to use both and reconcile the differences.  That's one of the reasons the new release has been taking so long.

I don't know what others added to my manuscript, but I did no such thing. I worked solely from the original JG version, and only read the GS edition to see how they did things. While I respect Niels Erickson (and consider him a better writer than myself), our approaches wouldn't mix well - his was slightly revisionist, mine is attempting to be as true to the OD&D legacy as physically possible for a d20 product.

This information is either mistaken, or I have been left out of the loop somewhere and the editors changed the entire direction of the project.

[edit]However, there are two rooms which are listed on the map but their descriptions aren't found in the JG product, making the original incomplete![/edit]

  

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:23 am 
 

Melan wrote:
[edit]However, there are two rooms which are listed on the map but their descriptions aren't found in the JG product, making the original incomplete![/edit]


For 1000 points, name those rooms :)
(Sorry Melan but you must sit out this round :wink: )

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:53 pm 
 

Melan wrote:This information is either mistaken, or I have been left out of the loop somewhere and the editors changed the entire direction of the project.


FWIW ... there was a recent request from Necro for a scanned/edited copy of the original JG version ... not sure what they have in mind.

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