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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:09 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:(Compared with the almost stand-alone nature of Characters Checklist . Was your copy definitely with a Red Tegel?).


yup. have got three with the same with each. and some spare books too. ya know, i should spend my money on more useful things :)

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oh, and 2,445, btw :P

damn.... too late! ^^


2445?

what you on about? you on some strange scottish brew :)


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:13 pm 
 

my 1st FFC #37 doesnt offer any insight either. i didnt think it would, as modron didnt (the journal anyway).

man this is getting annoying. when i dont want the journals, they are falling all over the place and when i want one, i cant find the bloody things.

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:17 pm 
 

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harami2000 wrote:
(Compared with the almost stand-alone nature of Characters Checklist . Was your copy definitely with a Red Tegel?).


yup. have got three with the same with each. and some spare books too. ya know, i should spend my money on more useful things :)


Heh, heh... And to think I left that one to be snapped up by you at $25 ^^

All of those sheets with the red Tegels having the same difference in fonts/copyright message on #29, then?

Well that makes things interesting, if so; trying to figure out where the copies Shane and I have, come from! (Presuming that sheet was not available prior to "L" :?).

killjoy32 wrote:2445?

what you on about? you on some strange scottish brew :)


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:28 pm 
 

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All of those sheets with the red Tegels having the same difference in fonts/copyright message on #29, then?

Well that makes things interesting, if so; trying to figure out where the copies Shane and I have, come from! (Presuming that sheet was not available prior to "L" :?)


will try and dig em all out tomorrow and have a look - too tired right now to check so will have a look then ok?

when i get round to it :D

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:52 pm 
 

Journal J (Dec76/Jan77) "Now that this installment is ready, work on the guide has accelerated and is due to be ready to mail by the end of the month. To restate, the guide is not included with the subscription and must be purchased separately. We kept the price down to $3.50 for this reason and it looks like it will run more than forty pages. Likewise the 'Judges Reduced Scale City Map' is handy but the print is small and to have included it would have increased the subscription cost"

(also they list this as a variation on the guildmember subscription theme)

"Ready Ref Package several copies of each of our RR sheets printed so far plus the up coming ones on 'Alignment & Record Keeping", "Building Costs" and the Wizards' Guide. This one's price will be announced later."

Journal K (Feb/Mar 1977) (regarding some readers mail) "The few complaints centered about the delay on 'Thunderhold', the overrun problems on 'Guide to the City State', a few packaging errors, and the desire for more materials (space, paper, time, etc) than the sub allows."

(under Tips from the Tower) "The Ready Ref Sheets Package contains all of our RR sheets published so far plus the Character Checklist to be included in the next installment."

Journal L (April/May 1977): in short it says that RR sheet Wizard's Guide and Construction Cost while included in Installment L..was "ready on time, printed on time, and could have been enclosed in Installment K. We simply forgot to inform our dedicated workers that it was to be included in addition to our normal 20 pages of material. We sent a copy by first class mail to anyone requesting it until this installment (L) and now intend to rectify the situation by enclosing it in this installment. While it will be included in the back installment K, it will not be included in the Tegel Manor expansion kit to be sold in hobby shops."

(at the back of the journal) "So you'll know what was supposed to be in the mailing of this installment, here's a list-17x22" Judge's map of the Manor and area, 11x17" Player's map of the Manor and area, 24 page Booklet 'L', Character Checklist, Wizard's Guide and 4 page newsletter. The Wizard's Guide will only be found in Installment K after this mailing."

(little past that) "Along with our previously published ready-ref charts, there will be a 'Monster Compendium' listing all of the D&D monsters published so far with all of their specs in a tight listing. This Monster Compendium will be in your next installment, also."

Actually I and J can be read here: judgesguild.net

Anyhow..yeah scans would work too, but can't do it at this time of night...#14 never appeared till 1977 same as #10 Guide to the City State (though they were mentioned earlier) due to delays. Everything else also speaks to order it came out..(as I posted some time back I still really need to go over the journals/dungeoneers/pegasus magazines)..but perhaps I should really do the early ones soon due to all this confusion.

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:07 pm 
 

Good clips there, Shane.

Plaag wrote:Anyhow..yeah scans would work too, but can't do it at this time of night...


What? Only 4am... ;)

Plaag wrote:..but perhaps I should really do the early ones soon due to all this confusion.


Yes, would certainly give a better grounding for any forward discussion, if required. That explains the confusion re. the Wizard's Guide, for example.

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:47 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:Good clips there, Shane.

Plaag wrote:Anyhow..yeah scans would work too, but can't do it at this time of night...


What? Only 4am... ;)

Plaag wrote:..but perhaps I should really do the early ones soon due to all this confusion.


Yes, would certainly give a better grounding for any forward discussion, if required. That explains the confusion re. the Wizard's Guide, for example.

thx :)


Actually its 10:43 pm and while this is fresh in my mind (and below I head back to sleep) another deciding factor..TAC CARDS..the charts on those do not have negative AC except for monsters attacking (though not having a 3rd print of that not sure if any charts got changed)

k..back to sleep now that I got this thought out of my head.

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Post Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:58 am 
 

great research there - damn wish i had them all on hand to see as well - i really should start to sort out my JG stuff a little more AND have it all in one place. trouble is, no space to do that right now.

oh well.

thanks for that shane. while it prb still doesnt clear things up, it gives us a few more tidbits to work from.

just a thought, TAC cards, were 1976? i dont have any so i dont know. so you have 1st print ones of them? what other prints and what dates are we looking at for them prints?

do the AC values change at all.

as we now know #10 came out later, and mentions minus AC values, could this be something they did around that time? late 76-early 77?

for a curiousity value tho, how do the yellow sheets fit into everything. they are not tan cardstock and are far more perishable. so were they the originals?

oh i dunno, i just got up and i need food before i run :)

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:25 am 
 

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:38 am 
 

Plaag wrote:Site updated

ShaneG.

thx.

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1st print points reverted to in the 3rd print? Yeah, kinda difficult to denote if the two were running in parallel (Tegel flavor vs. #14 flavor), although Al also has an orange Tegel with the "#14 sheet"...

Still not sure whether it's a good idea to try to read definitive dates from what are only hints in the text of the journals (certainly know that's been the source of false dates with early TSR material).
Definitely somewhat in limbo with "#14 1977, but is it April/May after all RR sheets released thru L and after Judges Shield, but before Installment M June/July 1977 or soem other date?" :? Hrrrr....

Anyhow, I think need to state somehow that one "flavor" of the CC came with #14 whilst the other was with the Tegels, if /that/ is your general observation.

And that still doesn't deal with the problem of that single "#14 flavor" sheet I have from an owner who had a 1st print Tegel (IIRC, but pretty certain), yet did not own the 1st print #14 pack.
Any idea how that might have happened?


"Anyhow..from that above, CC would have been printed before Installment L so that it could be included in #14, but then also released with L" (:? again)

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:54 am 
 

Oops..forgot to say the 3rd CC is double sided on that page (now corrected)..and may take that idea to specify which CCs came with what after some more tegels have been looked over.

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:56 am 
 

Plaag wrote:Oops..forgot to say the 3rd CC is double sided on that page (now corrected)..and may take that idea to specify which CCs came with what after some more tegels have been looked over.

ShaneG.

*looks around for a half-dozen Tegels from each print in untouched, original condition, including a 1st print and a 1st #14 with Bob's handwriting stating which date each was released on*
yeah.... :D

(In other words, I'm still stuck on this one (almost pushing 70-30 but no better than that). Feel free to go with "1st" & "2nd" if you wish ;)).

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:42 am 
 

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:18 am 
 

Site Updated (plus everything should look universal for the item pages)

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:37 am 
 

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:24 am 
 

Site Updated.

Do people want these update reminders on the forum like this, or has it become a habit to check the site every saturday?

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:01 am 
 

i thought it was just your excuse to add one to your total posts :D

instead of saying youve "updated" might be worth listing what youve updated in a brief note?

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:15 am 
 

:lol: I would never, why that would mean I'd have to respond to this..  :wink:

I shall take that advice though and start to post what it is that I update on here.
(Side Note: Al how is the rare list coming along?)

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