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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:41 pm 
 

Yeah, the chronology was one item (per my links back to IO's postmarked "I" Installments with orange "I" booklets), but thanks for that swap on the I6-8. I was waiting to hear back from your checks with Al before that (unexpected) update.

Not sure what I6-8 they'd've sent out with the original "I" mailing, if I was wrong 'bout that ;)

(The set I have is from the same original owner from whom you picked up those 1st print Tac cards w/o the stock card; i.e. /early/ 1st print).

Interestingly there may be an earlier JG #14 if Al's scan of the Booty list on his copy (lucky him!) going up to #30 is a possible indicator of such. Darned rare those, either way.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:52 pm 
 

Well Journal J (Dec 1976/Jan 1977) states in Booty List:

14. Ready Ref Package (20 pages of seven different charts)

price to be announced later.

Journal K (Feb/Mar 1977) states in Booty List:

14. Ready Ref Sheets Package-20 pages of seven different charts published through Installment L

2.99

Hum..so actually our checklists would be the ones to come with Installment L, and then the reprint of the Ref Sheets would make it into #14

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:06 pm 
 

shane/david

just e-mailed you with something interesting i have just found.

checking the booty list on #12 CSIO, i found that #5 refers to the ready ref sheets in question "with minus armour classes"

kinda makes things a lil more interesting again no? :D

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:07 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:Well Journal J (Dec 1976/Jan 1977) states in Booty List:

14. Ready Ref Package (20 pages of seven different charts)

price to be announced later.

Journal K (Feb/Mar 1977) states in Booty List:

14. Ready Ref Sheets Package-20 pages of seven different charts published through Installment L

2.99

Hum..so actually our checklists would be the ones to come with Installment L, and then the reprint of the Ref Sheets would make it into #14

ShaneG.


Good; that makes sense as to why Bob "held" #14 from earlier and had up to #30 on the Booty List by the time it was released.

So Al's #14 is defo the first print, as he might say ;)

Oh, I didn't notice that I'd bumped your message at the foot of the previous page. Thanks again, Shane! :)

That installment copy of I-8 having those missing negative ACs which were then present on both editions of #14 (loose leaf and purple book) should've been the clincher if the find context wasn't enough in its own right.

As to the checklist Characters Checklist , I still don't know which way to jump. Was 65-35 either way.

I'm pretty sure that if Keith (the source of your 1st print Tac Cards, my "I", etc.) had a Tegel it would've been a first print and that scan I sent you was the sheet that he'd placed inside my copy of "I" (presumably erroneously, if it wasn't released elsewhere?).

Need more input on that, still? :?

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:11 pm 
 

so i still have a 1st then?



  


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:12 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:just e-mailed you with something interesting i have just found.

checking the booty list on #12 CSIO, i found that #5 refers to the ready ref sheets in question "with minus armour classes"

kinda makes things a lil more interesting again no? :D

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Hmm... I wonder whether that means there's a yellow single-sided I-8 with negative ACs (if not a I-7 without negative ACs)?

Sorry; don't have a #12 to read the context of that note you mention.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:12 pm 
 

Need to head out for a bit..so will look everythigng over (though Al I got email adnd looked..damn I nned to check that out as well)

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:13 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:so i still have a 1st then?


Sounds like a pretty good impression of one, anyhow, from what Shane's dug out there! 8)

(I really need to get all my JG stuff together in one place! :roll:).

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:14 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:Sorry; don't have a #12 to read the context of that note you mention.


david, i e-mailed you and shane a scan of it chummer

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:17 pm 
 

just in case you didnt get the e-mail, here's the scan - look at #5 on the left hand side:

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:21 pm 
 

(mebbe this all needs shunted to the JG questions thread ;))

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harami2000 wrote:
Sorry; don't have a #12 to read the context of that note you mention.


david, i e-mailed you and shane a scan of it chummer

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*g*. thx. Just received that and was checking to ensure it was the same as in #10. Which it is....

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:27 pm 
 

So that's pretty definitive re. /only/ I-7 having -ve ACs on the "first available" copies.

Good. That's the easiest solution! (i.e. as currently listed :))

(Even if that doesn't definitively pin down the appearance of -ve ACs on I-8 to the 1st JG #14 sheets).

Thanks for the cross-check, Al.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:33 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:So that's pretty definitive re. /only/ I-7 having -ve ACs on the "first available" copies.

Good. That's the easiest solution! (i.e. as currently listed :))

(Even if that doesn't definitively pin down the appearance of -ve ACs on I-8 to the 1st JG #14 sheets).

Thanks for the cross-check, Al.


but the thing is david, if you read back on items #6 and #7 they DO say (as #5). would this not imply that the detail means the same? it does to me. i would read that as meaning I-6, I-7 and I-8 all have the minus armour classes on. they just didnt write it all again, either cos a. someone couldnt be arsed, or b. saving type-space.

i still think it means negs on each of them but am looking now to see if i can find reference elsewhere. tho i think #10 / #12 is prb the best place to look.

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:44 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:i still think it means negs on each of them but am looking now to see if i can find reference elsewhere. tho i think #10 / #12 is prb the best place to look.

Al


Hmm... I'm reading #5 as;

"one monster attacking chart [I-7]: [which] has to hit scores (with minus armor classes)".

- as opposed to "five men attacking charts [I-8]: [which] has ACS (sic) To Hit scores" (no -ve ACs).

Yeah, unless the earliest couple of journals have any other hints... and it's pointless me searching when I know Shane (and others) have those on hand! ;)

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:00 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:
Hmm... I'm reading #5 as;

"one monster attacking chart [I-7]: [which] has to hit scores (with minus armor classes)".

- as opposed to "five men attacking charts [I-8]: [which] has ACS (sic) To Hit scores" (no -ve ACs).

Yeah, unless the earliest couple of journals have any other hints... and it's pointless me searching when I know Shane (and others) have those on hand! ;)


well we will have to agree to disagree there until someone comes up with something, as it doesnt sound clear-cut to me either way.

have just had a look for my older journals...cant find any atm, bar for journal M (modron) and that doesnt help at all.

well hopefully someone else can shine a little light hopefully?



  


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:04 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:well we will have to agree to disagree there until someone comes up with something, as it doesnt sound clear-cut to me either way.


*g*. What's new?

And that's with secondary evidence.

(Compared with the almost stand-alone nature of Characters Checklist . Was your copy definitely with a Red Tegel?).

killjoy32 wrote:well hopefully someone else can shine a little light hopefully?


:)

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oh, and 2,445, btw :P

damn.... too late! ^^

  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:09 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:(Compared with the almost stand-alone nature of Characters Checklist . Was your copy definitely with a Red Tegel?).


yup. have got three with the same with each. and some spare books too. ya know, i should spend my money on more useful things :)

harami2000 wrote:
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oh, and 2,445, btw :P

damn.... too late! ^^


2445?

what you on about? you on some strange scottish brew :)



  

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:13 pm 
 

my 1st FFC #37 doesnt offer any insight either. i didnt think it would, as modron didnt (the journal anyway).

man this is getting annoying. when i dont want the journals, they are falling all over the place and when i want one, i cant find the bloody things.

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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:17 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
harami2000 wrote:
(Compared with the almost stand-alone nature of Characters Checklist . Was your copy definitely with a Red Tegel?).


yup. have got three with the same with each. and some spare books too. ya know, i should spend my money on more useful things :)


Heh, heh... And to think I left that one to be snapped up by you at $25 ^^

All of those sheets with the red Tegels having the same difference in fonts/copyright message on #29, then?

Well that makes things interesting, if so; trying to figure out where the copies Shane and I have, come from! (Presuming that sheet was not available prior to "L" :?).

killjoy32 wrote:2445?

what you on about? you on some strange scottish brew :)


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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:28 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:
All of those sheets with the red Tegels having the same difference in fonts/copyright message on #29, then?

Well that makes things interesting, if so; trying to figure out where the copies Shane and I have, come from! (Presuming that sheet was not available prior to "L" :?)


will try and dig em all out tomorrow and have a look - too tired right now to check so will have a look then ok?

when i get round to it :D

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