Well Journal J (Dec 1976/Jan 1977) states in Booty List:

14. Ready Ref Package (20 pages of seven different charts)

price to be announced later.

Journal K (Feb/Mar 1977) states in Booty List:

14. Ready Ref Sheets Package-20 pages of seven different charts published through Installment L

2.99

Hum..so actually our checklists would be the ones to come with Installment L, and then the reprint of the Ref Sheets would make it into #14

ShaneG.

Plaag wrote:Well Journal J (Dec 1976/Jan 1977) states in Booty List:

14. Ready Ref Package (20 pages of seven different charts)

price to be announced later.

Journal K (Feb/Mar 1977) states in Booty List:

14. Ready Ref Sheets Package-20 pages of seven different charts published through Installment L

2.99

Hum..so actually our checklists would be the ones to come with Installment L, and then the reprint of the Ref Sheets would make it into #14

ShaneG.

Good; that makes sense as to why Bob "held" #14 from earlier and had up to #30 on the Booty List by the time it was released.

So Al's #14 is defo the first print, as he might say

Oh, I didn't notice that I'd bumped your message at the foot of the previous page. Thanks again, Shane!

That installment copy of I-8 having those missing negative ACs which were then present on both editions of #14 (loose leaf and purple book) should've been the clincher if the find context wasn't enough in its own right.

As to the checklist Characters Checklist , I still don't know which way to jump. Was 65-35 either way.

I'm pretty sure that if Keith (the source of your 1st print Tac Cards, my "I", etc.) had a Tegel it would've been a first print and that scan I sent you was the sheet that he'd placed inside my copy of "I" (presumably erroneously, if it wasn't released elsewhere?).

Need more input on that, still?

killjoy32 wrote:just e-mailed you with something interesting i have just found.

checking the booty list on #12 CSIO, i found that #5 refers to the ready ref sheets in question "with minus armour classes"

kinda makes things a lil more interesting again no?

Al

Hmm... I wonder whether that means there's a yellow single-sided I-8 with negative ACs (if not a I-7 without negative ACs)?

Sorry; don't have a #12 to read the context of that note you mention.

killjoy32 wrote:so i still have a 1st then?

Sounds like a pretty good impression of one, anyhow, from what Shane's dug out there!

(I really need to get all my JG stuff together in one place! ).

just in case you didnt get the e-mail, here's the scan - look at #5 on the left hand side:

So that's pretty definitive re. /only/ I-7 having -ve ACs on the "first available" copies.

Good. That's the easiest solution! (i.e. as currently listed )

(Even if that doesn't definitively pin down the appearance of -ve ACs on I-8 to the 1st JG #14 sheets).

Thanks for the cross-check, Al.

killjoy32 wrote:i still think it means negs on each of them but am looking now to see if i can find reference elsewhere. tho i think #10 / #12 is prb the best place to look.

Al

Hmm... I'm reading #5 as;

"one monster attacking chart [I-7]: [which] has to hit scores (with minus armor classes)".

- as opposed to "five men attacking charts [I-8]: [which] has ACS (sic) To Hit scores" (no -ve ACs).

Yeah, unless the earliest couple of journals have any other hints... and it's pointless me searching when I know Shane (and others) have those on hand!

killjoy32 wrote:well we will have to agree to disagree there until someone comes up with something, as it doesnt sound clear-cut to me either way.

*g*. What's new?

And that's with secondary evidence.

(Compared with the almost stand-alone nature of Characters Checklist . Was your copy definitely with a Red Tegel?).

killjoy32 wrote:well hopefully someone else can shine a little light hopefully?

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oh, and 2,445, btw

damn.... too late! ^^

my 1st FFC #37 doesnt offer any insight either. i didnt think it would, as modron didnt (the journal anyway).

man this is getting annoying. when i dont want the journals, they are falling all over the place and when i want one, i cant find the bloody things.