bclarkie wrote:I didn't even realize that the key item was the white booklet until you just pointed it out
bclarkie wrote:faro wrote:White "I" booklet. I presume Shane deliberately pointed out the auction early in the hope no-one would notice.That was clearly a case of "I know you're going to buy at any price; OK, feel free...".Hmm, interesting to say the least. I wonder who "Richard" is, the one who asked about the BIN?
faro wrote:White "I" booklet. I presume Shane deliberately pointed out the auction early in the hope no-one would notice.That was clearly a case of "I know you're going to buy at any price; OK, feel free...".
Plaag wrote:This is not silly As I don't intend to keep doubles, is anyone interested in anything from that lot that has 2 or more copies?oh and now I'm done, have to let the ol heart settle....ShaneG.
bclarkie wrote:Oh and one other thing. If you dont want that Book of Sorcery I would be interested in that too.
Plaag wrote:Dungeoneers 1 thru 6Adrian Newman thought all of the Dungeoneers were the same, but from the auction you can clearly see #1 is not like on the site. (I shall have to dig out his emails to me and correct the page as to what printings he had.)ShaneG.
bclarkie wrote:Plaag wrote:Dungeoneers 1 thru 6Adrian Newman thought all of the Dungeoneers were the same, but from the auction you can clearly see #1 is not like on the site. (I shall have to dig out his emails to me and correct the page as to what printings he had.)ShaneG.I actually took a hard look at that before I placed my bid. That Dungeoneer #1 is definitely different which is one of the things that caused some concern from me. I am by no means an expert on JG stuff, but it is something that definitely stuckj out to me. I have seen a few pictures of the #1 and they are all brownish like the one you have on the site whereas that one in the auction is clearly yellow.
Plaag wrote:bclarkie wrote:I actually took a hard look at that before I placed my bid. That Dungeoneer #1 is definitely different which is one of the things that caused some concern from me. I am by no means an expert on JG stuff, but it is something that definitely stuckj out to me. I have seen a few pictures of the #1 and they are all brownish like the one you have on the site whereas that one in the auction is clearly yellow. But check out #2..also yellow, only 1 printing, from September 1976. I think the auction's #1 is a 1st print from June 1976. Only assuming of course at this point that Paul used the same card stock in the begining for the covers.ShaneG.
bclarkie wrote:I actually took a hard look at that before I placed my bid. That Dungeoneer #1 is definitely different which is one of the things that caused some concern from me. I am by no means an expert on JG stuff, but it is something that definitely stuckj out to me. I have seen a few pictures of the #1 and they are all brownish like the one you have on the site whereas that one in the auction is clearly yellow.
faro wrote:Plaag wrote:I'm done honest..Are you sure? *eyes you warily*
Plaag wrote:I'm done honest..
Plaag wrote:This is not silly
faro wrote:If Shane's happy to stick with his timeline ( History of Judges Guild ) which would suggest that white "I"s should be relatively common, that's up to him.I've pointed out, before (referring back to Mike/IOs postmarked copies) why that doesn't tally, and why the white copies are rarer.
Plaag wrote:faro wrote:If Shane's happy to stick with his timeline ( History of Judges Guild ) which would suggest that white "I"s should be relatively common, that's up to him.I've pointed out, before (referring back to Mike/IOs postmarked copies) why that doesn't tally, and why the white copies are rarer.Concerning that white 'I':"Bob said they sold about 40 to 50 subs at that first Gen Con, and continued to sell subs like gangbusters through mail order thereafter.""Of course, Bob didn't want to send out the white copies, so he sent it out only to those who had subscribed at GenCon and were thus already waiting on their subscription.""Bob then destroyed the remainder of the White cover "I"s when the Brown cover "I" was printed."ShaneG.
me wrote:Shane wrote:White I info came from the early pages of the JG Question thread and Mike/IO. The brown I's would have started to be sent out when they came back from the printer some time in Oct-Dec of 76. The tac cards were done one month before the I booklet, so reams of them would have been printed off. (and since some uncut sheets were sold at the GenCon auction this year, they may not have cut the cards up until orders/subscriptions were placed.)Judges Guild Questions"It's not a Xerox copy, it's definitely printed, and it came in a sealed JG mailer [NON-POSTMARKED; see correction- but also contained an original GenCon IX = Aug '76].... Because in the envelope there was only the Guideline Booklet I (White), and the CSotIO maps (the four maps are made with a different heavy-stock paper than the two other sets we have from envelopes P.O. marked October 76), and the envelope did not contain Journal # I. The two with the October 76 post mark has all three of the items normaly included in these mailers. The orangey-brown Initial Guideline Booklet I, The Maps, and the Journal # I, that states October 76 on the cover."Mike notes those he has which were sent out pmk'd October 76 had a /orange-brown/ "I" booklet.The white "I" was presumably sent out before that date with those "different heavy-stock paper" CSotIO maps (hand-folded?), but /without/ Journal "I".There's nothing in Mike's evidence to say that White "I"s were sent out with the first regular mailing in Oct '76 c/w History of Judges Guild .The Tac Cards were done just before the "I" journal (hence the note about last minute cutting). Would be September or into October. That could still have been after, or at the same time, as the "I" booklet; no need for the sequence numbers to translate directly into chronological order.What d'you think?
Shane wrote:White I info came from the early pages of the JG Question thread and Mike/IO. The brown I's would have started to be sent out when they came back from the printer some time in Oct-Dec of 76. The tac cards were done one month before the I booklet, so reams of them would have been printed off. (and since some uncut sheets were sold at the GenCon auction this year, they may not have cut the cards up until orders/subscriptions were placed.)
jamesmishler wrote:Yup, if Bob's recollections are correct, there would be no more than around 50 of the white "I" installments, as he only used those for the subscribers they got at Gen Con 1976. On the other hand, there would originally be at least a thousand brown "I" installments, as by June 1977 alone there were 1,217 guildmembers...
jamesmishler wrote:That would mean that for every white "I" there were at least 30 to 40 brown "I" installments initially, and presuming that the ratio obtains even after all these years, we should see one white sold on eBay for every 30 to 40 brown... the white installments being worth up to 30 to 40 times that of the brown based on rarity alone.
jamesmishler wrote:Not that I like this overmuch, as this means a True 1st "I" is probably beyond my means right now... my bid on that auction, which held for days up to the very last moment when the snipes came in, didn't even wave as the snipes flew past it... I was watching it as it rolled past, and were I even able to answer those bids, I couldn't have, as I literally sat there with my jaw on the ground at the $$$...