PM sent. Thanks.

I'm starting to understand the numbering/lettering scheme used by JG. Its worse than TSR, but once you know it, its not that bad.

Plaag wrote:
Only one case states having Journal M: Ian's copy at the time..so if all of these were Installment M's then they seem to have lost the Journal M.

This is basically where I'm standing at the moment on this..It is not an Installment without the Journal. (Yeah envelopes get tossed, so to have it is a bonus, but to claim booklet and maps is Installment, sorry you have to come up with something more definitive.)

ShaneG.

To confuse things even more The Booty List in Dungeon eer 15 identifies the Modron Installment as having the map, booklet and monster compendium.  But no Journal.  (Item #34)

The Booklet M entry (Item #32) does mention the RR chart listing monster statistics. Journal M (Item #33) is a seperate entry (as per the usual JG method).

Unfortunately this is the earliet Dungeoneer/JGJ I have that mentions Modron w/ the monstroujs compendium.  However I only have one other JGJ (X) in between Journal L and this Dungeoneer.  So I'd be interested to see if there are earlier Booty Lists that mention the Modron Installment sans the Monstrous Compendium.

I'm wondering if it got added to sell more (given that Modron apparently wasn't a huge seller) or if it was just a weird early printing issue that a some early Installment Ms were missing a booklet they were supposed to have.  

Apologies for keeping this subject alive but even though I sold my Booklet M I'd like to know for some future re-purchase of the item.

serleran wrote:Umm, I already looked there and it 1) doesn't make any sense, and 2) doesn't seem to have what I'm talking about anyway.

Sort of testing out how to list the Journals (check out by System index)
Also with Journal I am testing out a slight modification.

ShaneG.

ddt58 wrote:Does anyone know if JG's subscriber records were destroyed?  I think I started subscribing around Installment L, but I am not sure.  It might help reconstructing what I got and when.

Long gone, unless they are still mouldering in a long-lost and forgotten storage unit somewhere in Decatur, Illinois...

jamesmishler wrote:
Long gone, unless they are still mouldering in a long-lost and forgotten storage unit somewhere in Decatur, Illinois...

Actually...has anyone asked Fencert if he has them?  During a phone conversation he once mentioned having company correspondence....?

I have a quick question on the City State of the IO.  I have the fifth edition cover with no reference to D&D and instead says Universal Fantasy Supplement but on page 4 there is a reference to D&D that has been crossed out in pen  "design and officiallyl approved for use with Dungeons & Dragons."  Was the page 4 just a mistake that was in all fifth editions?

Hum..you may have the 3rd printing book (will have to see if the booty list is on the cover page and not actually in the book).

ShaneG.

tdewey10 wrote:
Ah. I forgot that the 3rd ed had a cover page.  Did they all have the index error?

Yep..just checked and seems I may start the close examination with this product now that I have it out

Index on both does not list pg 47
2nd print has Booty List on pg 47
3rd print has Booty List on cover sheet

Good catch on that error.

ShaneG.

Okay curious how I should present differences for various printings. Here is what I have cobbled together for Magic Realm:

Author: Mark Holmer
Editor: Penny Gooding
Artist(s): Paul Jaquays
Interior Art only in 2nd and later printings: Kevin Siembieda, Paul Jaquays

1st Print

Oddities
Book 1 Cover: Has same image as Wilderlands of the Fantastic Reaches

Book 2 Cover: Is product number listed on this cover for when sold as set (and image changed to not confuse with Wilderlands of the Fantastic Reaches)?

Book Covers: states ‘Designed & Approved For Use Especially With' Dungeons & Dragons. Why is price listed as $8.50 on both covers?

2nd Print

Oddities
Pg 3: No page 47 listed in Index
Various Pages: Still has broken characters throughout as if the same typeset was used as the previous printing, though not in all instances (Book 2 seems better then this printing)

Differences with previous printing
Book Cover: Shares the same image as Book 2, states ‘Approved For Use With' Dungeons & Dragons

Contents:
Now 48 pages and one book
Pg 16: Designer's Notes added (previously printed in Journal 14)
Pg 40: Wilderlands map added and lists 14 numbered rectangular areas

3rd Print

Oddities
Pg 3: No page 47 listed in Index, Booty List still stated as on page 48 (Is actually Treasure vault and on back of cover sheet)
Various Pages: Still has broken characters throughout as before

Differences with previous printing
Cover Sheet: matches book cover except for being in color, author's name not shown, states ‘Created For and Approved For Use With' Dungeons & Dragons, Has product list on the back

Book Cover: Now has Judges Shield Logo, Lists contents above picture, Author's name appears in upper right of picture, Product Number and Price are in a small box in lower right, states "Official Campaign Approved For' Dungeons & Dragons

Contents:
Pg 3: Copyright 1980, Address and All rights reserved paragraph
Pg 40: Wilderlands map changes to the full 18 numbered and titled rectangles, page is also not numbered
Pg 47: Titled ‘Notes' with lines narrower then previous two pages and filling up more of the page

Should I list pages of art that was added in 2nd+ printings along with the other pages (some listed above)? Should I state where tables have been moved (replaced by art, but presented after other text now in 2nd+ printings)?
Different format compared to the one above?

ShaneG.