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Post Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:36 pm 
 

yes that makes more sense to me.



i think ppl who received instalments as subscribers, quite possibly received different things in the packages than what say we did by buying it when it was made public.



hoping that tom's instalment clears up a few things. if it doesnt, then aint this gonna be fun :)



i do think we are close tho.



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Post Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:54 pm 
 

Some tid bits after perusing Journals I/J/K:

From I (Oct 1976)

"As astutely pointed out by the halycon heroes of the north (TSR) out artist-scribe took considerable artistic license in depicting the weapons on our Tac Cards. Rest assured history scholars, a new deck (with many unusual weapons) is being designed accurately... else our pen pusher will run the expectorate gauntlet with his drafting table tied to his ears!"



Items 1-8 are in the subscription with Journal I (this was not called an installment, but it has helped in that product lists sort of make sense how they were early on.) Also items 1-8 are only sold seperately (at the time mind you) to Guildmembers.



From J (Dec 1976-Jan 1977)

Labeled the 1st Installment

Thunderhold done

#10 ready to mail by the end of the month (copyright 1976 but people must have only got these in Jan 77 due to as they have stated slow mail bulk rate.)

item 9 and 10 must be purchased seperately..not part of the subscription (i.e. items 1-8/journal I plus 5 bi-monthly installments)

items 11-13 are to be sold in stores (so actually these are 1977 releases)

RR charts package (item 14) and Tac cards due to copyright agreement will be available seperately (so to be sold in stores in 1977..with Tac card info from I..thsis the new deck/2nd print I presume)



"Tac Cards will be available for $3.95 which is up from old price, but since we will now start paying postage, it went down 5¢ net! The cards may cost a mint to print (&collate- Mrs. Makistakator has sorted almost 100,000 cards so far!) and are priced a bit over a deck of playing cards- but the guys that play my game love'em!" (741 sets at least..but this include 1st prints or only the to be sold 2nd sets the paragraph is talking about.)



"Ready Ref Package several copies of each of our RR sheets printed so far plus the up coming ones on 'Alignments & Record Keeping', 'Building Costs' and the Wizards' Guide. This one's price will be announced later." (So Wizards guide was determined and/or layout at the time of this, but the other two were working titles I presume - and of course never materialized since ARK became Character Checklist, and BC became Construction costs and placed at the back of Wizards Guide - so WG was not printed by this time)



From K (Feb/Mar 1977)

Judges Guild moved to new place/address

RR package contains all sheets published so far plus CC to be included in next installment (Phantasmal Forces/Encounters sheet not released with other installments and I can only see its predassesor so far in the earliest Judges Guild Shield item 28..so this help to determine that #14 was not released till Installment L April/May 1977)



judgesguild.net Again so that Journal I and J can be looked over, and yeah most I pointed out maybe already known but I've brought it forward to maybe get a better understanding for this time table I've worked on:

#1 released Gen Con IX August 1976

#2-8 (and Journal I) October 1976

#9 November 1976

#15-17 Decemebr 1976

#10-13 Jan/Feb 1977

#18-20 Feb/Mar 1977 (Wizards Guide like stated was printed, but did not see Guildmembers hands till Installment L)



#14 1977, but is it April/May after all RR sheets released thru L and after Judges Shield, but before Installment M June/July 1977 or soem other date?



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Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:54 pm 
 

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Forgot to check on this when the debate for #14 was going on. This is from White Dwarf #3 (First review for JG items in this magazine, which is also mentioned in Journal O)

The whole line that these charts are on relatively flimsy paper seems to have me question either the review or the package..

Ian was this SWed when you had this?

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:00 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:Ian was this SWed when you had this?

It was.

(And I was 10 minutes late first time around... :()

  

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Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:26 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:Ian was this SWed when you had this?

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IIRC, the two JG14 Ready Refs I had weren't shrinkwrapped. I believe they were originally supplied in a brown mailing envelope.


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Post Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:37 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:
Plaag wrote:Ian was this SWed when you had this?
ShaneG.

IIRC, the two JG14 Ready Refs I had weren't shrinkwrapped. I believe they were originally supplied in a brown mailing envelope.

I thought Shane meant this one; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8711763146 ?
"This is a brand new set of Judges Guild JG14 Ready Ref Sheets, in near mint condition (they have been removed from their shrinkwrap)."

  

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harami2000 wrote:
mbassoc2003 wrote:
IIRC, the two JG14 Ready Refs I had weren't shrinkwrapped. I believe they were originally supplied in a brown mailing envelope.

I thought Shane meant this one; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8711763146 ?
"This is a brand new set of Judges Guild JG14 Ready Ref Sheets, in near mint condition (they have been removed from their shrinkwrap)."


this is the item i won from ian,

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 8711763146

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:31 pm 
 

shane.

just checking the entries for dark tower there on the sub-web.

how do you determind what print is what?

bar for the scans looking a diff colour....

booty list at the back goes to #93

is it 1st or 2nd?

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:37 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:shane.

just checking the entries for dark tower there on the sub-web.

how do you determind what print is what?

bar for the scans looking a diff colour....

booty list at the back goes to #93

is it 1st or 2nd?

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That's a 1st (think I will include highest number list info on everything in a future update)

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:50 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:(think I will include highest number list info on everything in a future update)

Good idea, Shane! Thanks in advance :)

  

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:03 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:
Plaag wrote:(think I will include highest number list info on everything in a future update)

Good idea, Shane! Thanks in advance :)


yeah that would be useful - prb a lot easier to pick up on what prints things are, rather than relying solely on pictures etc.


ooooh so i have another 1st print dark tower :D

coool :)

oh well shane looks like you will get that tegel cos i cant afford to bid higher tho i really want it :)

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:06 am 
 

Alan...how are you ever going to bring yourself to sell off your Tegels and Dark Towers?


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:37 am 
 

MShipley88 wrote:Alan...how are you ever going to bring yourself to sell off your Tegels and Dark Towers?


well you know what....

i am sat here with five tegels staring at me not 2 feet away. they have been sat there for about 6 weeks, where i have been "getting ready to list/sell them" and you know what...i just dont want to. i am picking everything else around them bar them :)

the dark towers i aint so fussed about. good mod - read a few times now and well they were never one of my faves, tho i do like em.

am sure i will sell them all eventually - the ones i WANT to sell anyway. some i will keep (ie the top notch ones).

ho hum :)

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:07 am 
 

I really wanted that Tegel (you took to long on deciding to sell any of yours..so.. :roll: ) and well I wanted the CC and cover sheet as well.

I may purchase a dark tower or two if you sell any.

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:21 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:well you know what....

i am sat here with five tegels staring at me not 2 feet away. they have been sat there for about 6 weeks, where i have been "getting ready to list/sell them" and you know what...i just dont want to. i am picking everything else around them bar them :)


Hi Al,

I kinda felt the same way - I really liked playing in Tegel way back when. When I described it to my wife, she said that she was going to kick my ass for letting it go   :roll:

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:42 pm 
 

Desuma_Malevois wrote:I kinda felt the same way - I really liked playing in Tegel way back when. When I described it to my wife, she said that she was going to kick my ass for letting it go  :roll:

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heh well mine is that they took me so long to get my hands on them that i just dont wanna let em go. will get round to offloading some at some point i guess.

have a few loose tegel books too so will prb just get rid of them for now.

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Post Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:15 pm 
 

shane

as its new year, was just starting to list some items again (will finish them tomorrow)....i got up to the traveller logbook

Traveller Log Book

have started to list my items in line with the prints you have on the subweb, and this one got me confused.

when i look in the book itself, it says, reprinted 1st edition 4th printing 1981......

what do you make of that?

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:57 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:shane

as its new year, was just starting to list some items again (will finish them tomorrow)....i got up to the traveller logbook

Traveller Log Book

have started to list my items in line with the prints you have on the subweb, and this one got me confused.

when i look in the book itself, it says, reprinted 1st edition 4th printing 1981......

what do you make of that?

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What is the list at the back? (I actually need to update that page - the 1st and 2nd should be bumped to 2nd and 3rd)
The lists I have on those are Treasure Vault 220, and More Fine Products 600 (list goes to 460, but it includes the initial Pegasus in the magazine section on that list)

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:57 pm 
 

just checked the back and it has a TREASURE VAULT and the highest # on it is 460 The Book of Ruins. I think this is the last print of the traveller logbook. there are definately some before it but i have never had me hands on any of them.

i also checked back to the old JG pages:

JG78-Log Book

this one i suspect has the 3rd/4th print book as their 1st and the 1st/2nd print book as the 2nd. this is purely speculative as i have never seen one of the others.

checked the other page too, didnt give any prints n stuff, but it DID have a different scan to what mine looks like:

http://members.tripod.com/MBoone/jg0078.jpg

that one ties in with what you have as the 1st print and the one i have ties in with what you have as the 2nd print.

but going back to the 1st link i put up above, it has two scans and this is a large of of the 2nd scan:

JG0078-Log Book 2 (large)

thats the one i have never seen and you havent got it on your site either.

so somewhere, we are missing 2 prints, as mine is the 4th print. one of them is the one above, so the other could possibly be the same cover, but a different vault/booty at the back.

will keep my eyes peeled.

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:17 pm 
 

just had a look around on ebay - there are 6 or 7 listed, but looks as though they all have the same covers as mine.

badmike has one listed, but doesnt have a pic with it. can he chime in and just confirm what the cover looks like?

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