harami2000 wrote:Must have been disappointed when Al didn't turn up to buy up the rest!*listens for typing in the background*
harami2000 wrote:IIRC was later reduced to $9.99 for #0, Al...Gone now, anyhow.[edit] Hmm... missed it first time. Still there; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5276369803
killjoy32 wrote:shane / daviddunno what it is, but something is nagging away at me with regards to these I-6 & I-8's we were discussing last night.does anyone have a #14 with all yellow sheets? or one with I-6 (or is it I-8 - i am in work so i cant check to hand) without the minus AC values in the pack?my thoughts are this. i do think that the #14 i have is still the 1st print. it feels right with the timing and all.the original releases of #5 #6 and #7. this could have been where the yellow sheets originated from. are there any yellow sheets with the minus AC values?the loose I-6 and I-8's i have, i bought off terry like that many moons back. if he was selling them like that, they were loose, which would tell me that they were not as part of a pack, but individual, which would still point back to the releases of #5 #6 and #7terry literally took these from the boxes that they were stored in, when he bought them from that massive stock. if they were stored that way, then they must have been sold that way too?it might have been that they did an original run of prints without the AC values and sent them out to subscribers. there were loads of complaints and then they re-printed a load on yellow or tan cardstock and released them in the newer format? sounds possible to me....anyway. work beckons...yeah its sunday....man this sucks.mind you at least i dont waste four hours digging for books and notes Al
Plaag wrote:Checking #14s Vol 1 booklets..interesting things there..I-8 in all three of those printings has the negative ACs (since I-8 is really the only change in printings besides color for the whole I-6/8 discussion).
Plaag wrote:Though our Checklist (David's and mine) matches what is in those Vol I books too.
Plaag wrote:Those with a 3rd have a Men attacking chart with negative ACs?
killjoy32 wrote:the loose I-6 and I-8's i have, i bought off terry like that many moons back. if he was selling them like that, they were loose, which would tell me that they were not as part of a pack, but individual, which would still point back to the releases of #5 #6 and #7terry literally took these from the boxes that they were stored in, when he bought them from that massive stock. if they were stored that way, then they must have been sold that way too?
harami2000 wrote:So, when was that change (font/copyright message) made? Must've been pretty early since the previous owner of my copy had a red Tegel, IIRC (that same owner of your 1st print Tac Cards, yellow I6-8, etc., again).I'd previously checked Booklet L and Character Checklist which states a Character Checklist should be present with the red Tegel, but Tegel Manor Playing Aid says it wasn't. What's up there?
harami2000 wrote:Terry had/has much JG overstock including spare items (booklets, maps, etc.) that weren't packaged up into installments, etc.There's no guarantee that anything originating from him was "as originally issued" or any particular combination of prints; just one great big remaindered stock pile Those spare I6-7-8s you picked up might've been destined to have been sold loose or as part of a #14 pack. It's impossible to tell which, now.Can only get intriguing "hints" on a few of those items he has, such as his blue Modron booklets that are consistently showing the minor front page printing flaw not present on other booklets known to have been distributed with the original installment.
Plaag wrote:I'd previously checked Booklet L and Character Checklist which states a Character Checklist should be present with the red Tegel, but Tegel Manor Playing Aid says it wasn't. What's up there?Yeah after reading the Journal snipets..the 1st printing (ie Installment L) should have the Character Checklist as well as Wizard's Guide actually..(I think I'll call this the DRJ effect..Didn't Read Journals). This is Priotity One for the next update in a week.
Plaag wrote:Hum..anyone ask for photo of character sheet: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 8735470210Hum..they have to be close (well copyright 77 it says), but in terms of being released the 1977 journals all have #29 starting from L that is.
Plaag wrote:Oh well, something to ponder and research..(Get your Judges Guild stuff organized you two )
killjoy32 wrote:thing is with regards to that, i have bought many tegels and have never seen one with a wizards guide
Plaag wrote:Yeah after reading the Journal snipets..the 1st printing (ie Installment L) should have the Character Checklist as well as Wizard's Guide actually..(I think I'll call this the DRJ effect..Didn't Read Journals). This is Priotity One for the next update in a week....Oh well, something to ponder and research..(Get your Judges Guild stuff organized you two )
killjoy32 wrote:so the character checklists that are with then. if i scan them, what is it that i am looking for?
killjoy32 wrote:right i have just had a quick look and have found some tegels, but its not all that i have.
killjoy32 wrote:1. booklet L with no ende - tegel manor tan sheet with $4.50 in top left, no booty list on back, AHA, characters checklist present, orange in colour, but with a thicker font than the pic scanned above. its in the same font as the characters checklist at the back of the 4th print book, and states, copyright 1977. all maps present.(again this is how i have bought them, i havent swapped things around or anything. they were stored as i purchased them)[GOOD!]2. booklet L with ende - tegel manor tan cover sheet, $4.50 in top left, treasure vault on the back. highest # is 160 Journal 19, new releases coming soon, 140 castle book II, 150 CSWE. judges guild, 1165 N university ave, decatur, Il, 62526 - characters checklist is the same as the one i mentioned above - not like the pictured one of yours. only one large map.3. now. i have a tegal shrinkwrapped and its unbroken. i really, REALLY dont want to break the shrink.aaaaaaaaaaaha!!!! the characters checklist is the SAME as your one! WOOHOOO! - is there nothing on the back? moving the shrink around i can only see the top, but the font is most definately the same! $4.50 price sticker on the front of the shrink - the back of the cover sheet doesnt look like its got a booty list / treasure vault on it.
killjoy32 wrote:that one prb helps i hope? pleeeeeeeeeeeease dont ask me to open it, cos i really dont wanna cos its in super minty mint. the booklet L is the lighter colour than the darker ende booklet.
killjoy32 wrote:so does that help fit your characters checklist in?
harami2000 wrote:*checks to see whether you got into trouble for researching after 11pm*Thanks, Al
harami2000 wrote:A. Thicker font at top (other minor font differences), "Copyright 1977"Characters Checklist 1st- found withOrange Tegel 1., above.Red Tegel 2., above. (what's that about #160, Al? Later mix-and-match copy??)- found in 4th print Tegel book (neat observation!
harami2000 wrote:Would be useful to check those other three or four, if poss.
killjoy32 wrote:that one had a tan cover sheet with it. on the back of the cover sheet it had a treasure vault (you know, the product list thingy) and the highest numbers on it were D&D 119 tower of ulission, AD&D 124 escape from astigars lair, but highest # was 160 journal 19. thats what i meant by the #160 comment. was meant to help shane mebbe fit it in wherever he fits these things in
killjoy32 wrote:still think the guy off here, who has all the instalments with the envelopes is the best option - surely they are all gonna be 1st prints and so that would be the logical starting point for research.
harami2000 wrote:(Hence my mix-and-match comment, but prb from the p.o.v. of how JG released the stuff, originally).And was the theory I was working to, also, given that other seller with all the original installments, 1st Tac cards w/o product card, etc. Doesn't seem to have helped in this case, however.G'night ^^
