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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:25 pm 
 

Well I have the one with the price and its numbered pages go 1 to 92, but it has a booty list after page 92 and a drawing page, copyright page, table of contents page all before page number 1. Booty list is to 93 putting it at Apr 79.

Al's 1st I suspect maybe numbered the same page wise, not have the price, and has a booty list to #39 putting it at 1977 (I'd say june/july but then inside two of mine is the same forward by Bob and dated Aug 9, 1977)

My other copy is numbered 1 to 64 withou any unnumbered pages, with a More Fine products list to #380 putting it at 1980 (Oct-Dec)



So by that information I would say Al's copy is the 1st print and the two I have would be 2nd/3rd or 3rd/4th

I would really like to know if there is one that can be put at 1978, which it sounds like someone has such a copy? (if so I need a scan and what the highest # in the booty list is)



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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:30 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:This would ring true with other printing and reprints of other products.



Does this make more sense?


Don't think either myself or Al would complain (not that that should be a factor), but yes would make more sense in terms of fewer "jumps" in printing differences (and apparent jumps backwards to a previous state are always even more difficult to explain away; like that one on the OCEs which has bitten me for my presumptiveness!).



In context my copy went along with a run of other first prints from "J" onwards and beyond FFC, so would fit better that way, too.



Thanks for checking, Ian.

Does that "truncated" Booty list follow through to the 3rd print; or does that change yet again, I presume?

  


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:36 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:(I'd say june/july but then inside two of mine is the same forward by Bob and dated Aug 9, 1977)


Slightly delayed publication?



If that was a TSR product, it would be dated March/April 1977. :P



Plaag wrote:I would really like to know if there is one that can be put at 1978, which it sounds like someone has such a copy? (if so I need a scan and what the highest # in the booty list is)


Cue Ian again? :)

  

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:52 pm 
 

well anyone who says mines a 1st i am with them all the way :D



if u want me to check anything on it lemme know.



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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:56 pm 
 

I have a copy of FFC on the way to me.  I will be interested to check it against the ones mentioned here.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:54 pm 
 

I would concur with Shane's present hypothesis.



I have a copy like Al's, 92 numbered pages with a large price on the front cover. Presumably this is the 1st edition.



I also have a copy with no large price on the front cover and 92 numbered pages with a booty list ending with Storm Giants Casle. The second printing.



I have a 64 page edition with no large price on the cover.



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Are these the three prints that you have, or do you have a further variation?


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:07 pm 
 

so what have i got then...a 1st and a 3rd?



think we are almost nailing FFC down now



  

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:10 pm 
 

Actually can I get a scan of the 1st print..thought I had one but do not.



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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:13 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:so what have i got then...a 1st and a 3rd?



think we are almost nailing FFC down now




Yeah, barring that there isn't a 1978 version to bump that to a 4th.

I have to say though that while I haven't read my 2nd print..the amount of extra material looks like it will be a good read.



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Post Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:48 am 
 

I haven't done a complete comparrison, but the text in the all three prints seems to be almost identical. The compression to 64 pages has been don by reformatting the text, using smaller fonts, deleting some pictires, redrawing existing pictures and shrinking the maps down in size.


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:37 am 
 

gonna compare the two FFC's i have a lil later and start making some notes about any differences that i find.



will post an update when i am finished.



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Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:06 pm 
 

right i have had a real good shifty of my two FFC copies. i am pretty sure one is a 1st print and the other, maybe a 3rd or 4th?



so here are some notes i have made:



1st print:



cover print is a very dark red, has no index number and a large $7.98.

(c) 1977, booty list goes up to #35 three monster stats compendium sheets



pages are labelled 1-92, inside cover and content page not labelled. contents page covers pages 1-91



cover page says "first fantasy campaign playing aid by Dave Arneson, Judges guild" thats all thats on the page - with a picture of course.



Blackmoor the campaign starts on page 3



3rd / 4th print:



cover print is a lighter red than the 1st, $7.98 appears in very small print next and to the right of "fantasy game system not included"



pages are labelled 1-64



(c) 1980 - appears at the bottom on the contents page - and contents cover pages 3-63.



inside cover page has same picture as 1st, but says the following: To Colleen Wordem & family, addl notes by Richard Syder, Cover by Pixie Bledsaw, Illustrations, ken simpson & dave arneson, graphics, bob bledsaw and bill owen



blackmoor the campaign starts on page 4



booty list: "more fine products by Judges Guild - goes up to #380 Duck Pond"



i notice the font used in the 3rd / 4th is a LOT smaller than the 1st font. most of the picures throughout the book are the same but some are either not there or there are distinguishable differences in the art. the actual scenario text is the same - well the majority of what i checked was anyway



so there you go. there is a starter. if you want to know anything more - then lemme know and i will check.



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Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:38 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:right i have had a real good shifty of my two FFC copies. i am pretty sure one is a 1st print and the other, maybe a 3rd or 4th?



so here are some notes i have made:



1st print:



cover print is a very dark red, has no index number and a large $7.98.

(c) 1977, booty list goes up to #35 three monster stats compendium sheets



pages are labelled 1-92, inside cover and content page not labelled. contents page covers pages 1-91



cover page says "first fantasy campaign playing aid by Dave Arneson, Judges guild" thats all thats on the page - with a picture of course.



Blackmoor the campaign starts on page 3



3rd / 4th print:



cover print is a lighter red than the 1st, $7.98 appears in very small print next and to the right of "fantasy game system not included"



pages are labelled 1-64



(c) 1980 - appears at the bottom on the contents page - and contents cover pages 3-63.



inside cover page has same picture as 1st, but says the following: To Colleen Wordem & family, addl notes by Richard Syder, Cover by Pixie Bledsaw, Illustrations, ken simpson & dave arneson, graphics, bob bledsaw and bill owen



blackmoor the campaign starts on page 4



booty list: "more fine products by Judges Guild - goes up to #380 Duck Pond"



i notice the font used in the 3rd / 4th is a LOT smaller than the 1st font. most of the picures throughout the book are the same but some are either not there or there are distinguishable differences in the art. the actual scenario text is the same - well the majority of what i checked was anyway



so there you go. there is a starter. if you want to know anything more - then lemme know and i will check.



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Nope thats great..course a pic would help  :wink:  :D



Am curious as all hell though if there can be one nailed down for 1978.



Well on to a question of my own (not related to FFC): Are the Journals and Dungeoneers found in the value packs all marked with a black line at the top or bottom (outside pages, not marked inside)?

If so I think this maybe a tally mark of sorts for the value packs, count their stock as it were. Then of course I'd be curious if all the dungeoneer 13s line up, etc.. (they do not in numeral order ie 13, 14, 15, etc)



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Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:03 pm 
 

I am holding my new copy of the First Fantasy Campaign.



1)  The lettering on the cover is very red.



2)  On the cover it says, "Eighty eight page book and two campaign maps..."



3)  Copyright 1980



4)  64 numbered pages inside  (?)  (Go figure?)



5)  Highest item on booty list is Duck Pond JG #380



   This must be a fourth printing?   :?


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:09 pm 
 

MShipley88 wrote:I am holding my new copy of the First Fantasy Campaign.



1) The lettering on the cover is very red.



2) On the cover it says, "Eighty eight page book and two campaign maps..."



3) Copyright 1980



4) 64 numbered pages inside (?) (Go figure?)



5) Highest item on booty list is Duck Pond JG #380



 This must be a fourth printing?  :?




Right now it stands as a 3rd print.



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Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:44 pm 
 

MShipley88 wrote:I am holding my new copy of the First Fantasy Campaign.



1) The lettering on the cover is very red.



2) On the cover it says, "Eighty eight page book and two campaign maps..."



3) Copyright 1980



4) 64 numbered pages inside (?) (Go figure?)



5) Highest item on booty list is Duck Pond JG #380



 This must be a fourth printing?  :?




that sounds pretty much like the 2nd copy that i have that.....



  

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:46 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:
Nope thats great..course a pic would help :wink: :D



Am curious as all hell though if there can be one nailed down for 1978.



Well on to a question of my own (not related to FFC): Are the Journals and Dungeoneers found in the value packs all marked with a black line at the top or bottom (outside pages, not marked inside)?

If so I think this maybe a tally mark of sorts for the value packs, count their stock as it were. Then of course I'd be curious if all the dungeoneer 13s line up, etc.. (they do not in numeral order ie 13, 14, 15, etc)



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i will scan both tomorrow for you - just want the front covers? lemme know ok.



with regards the dungeoneers packs - yeah mine have black markings on the top covers i think from memory



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Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:29 pm 
 

Yeah, just the covers.



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