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Post Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:08 pm 
 

hey chummer



i have a sword of hope (well actually loads of em):



its "official adventure approved for dungeons and dragons" - yellow box above that to the right with "118 / $3"



inside its (c) 1980.



treasure vault at the back however goes up to 420 unknown gods.



so it looks more like your first option sorta but not the second one and its not AD&D btw



if u want me to scan here then i will



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Post Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:13 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:
Edit: Well #119 Tower of Ulission has ad for #118 to come out in Dec 1979. (so does this match the 1st stated print above?)



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i also have a #119 (well more than 1) and the treasure vault goes up to #320 book of treasure maps II



again i can scan if you wanna



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Post Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:28 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
Plaag wrote:
Edit: Well #119 Tower of Ulission has ad for #118 to come out in Dec 1979. (so does this match the 1st stated print above?)



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i also have a #119 (well more than 1) and the treasure vault goes up to #320 book of treasure maps II



again i can scan if you wanna



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Well damn..yeah send a scan of both 119 (it seems thats a 2nd print I did not know about.) Oh and your 118's are 2nd prints also.



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Post Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:33 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:
Well damn..yeah send a scan of both 119 (it seems thats a 2nd print I did not know about.) Oh and your 118's are 2nd prints also.



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e-mailed u chummer - if u want them bigger just lemme know.



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Post Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:37 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
Plaag wrote:
Well damn..yeah send a scan of both 119 (it seems thats a 2nd print I did not know about.) Oh and your 118's are 2nd prints also.



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e-mailed u chummer - if u want them bigger just lemme know.



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yeah maybe twice that size



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Post Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:47 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:34 am 
 

shane



didnt know if you had this one, so supplying the info while i am looking at it:



#96 treasury of archaic names



i have a 2nd print with the blue cover - it says (c) 1979 on the inside of the cover, but the treasury vault at the back shows the following:



universal: 700 restormel

D&D: 420 unknown gods

AD&D: 750 illhiedrin book

traveller: 720 rogue moon of spinstorme



imo that makes the (c) more like late 80/early 81, not 79.....what do you think?



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Post Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:40 am 
 

shane



as i am going through them



#102 caverns of thracia 2nd print - also says (c) 1979, but the treasury vault is exactly the same as archaic names as above.



#109 operation ogre - 3rd print - (says 3rd reprint 1981) - treasury vault: highest item #460 the book of ruins. slightly earlier than #102 and #96 2nd prints? which would then make the (c) in the book wrong for the above 2 as well wouldnt it?



beginning to look as if they did a whole batch of 2nd prints about the same time...dont you think?



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Post Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:22 pm 
 

Those are all 1981s (copies I actually have too)

And it does seem like thats what happened, course when the site is established I'm going to really read through things to put a vast chronological order to everything.



Course I still need to find the dates on Operation Ogre

1st printing: (19??) Product number is integrated in background of cover.

2nd printing: (19??) Product number in yellow square. Ogres pants are White and black.

I'd say 79 and 80, but it being the 1979 Pacificon AD&D official tournament dungeon that had notes on the playing of this tournament published in the Judges Guild Journal 18 could suggest they are possibly both 80.



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Post Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:13 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:
I'd say 79 and 80, but it being the 1979 Pacificon AD&D official tournament dungeon that had notes on the playing of this tournament published in the Judges Guild Journal 18 could suggest they are possibly both 80.



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yeah i would sterr near to that too - i was thinking v.late 79 or early to mid 80 at the latest tbh....



if i get hold of one or both i will let you know ok



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Post Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:31 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
harami2000 wrote:
yeah, that's the one here (1st print, presumed, unless there are any other minor variations).




yeah i think thats the first too, but i know ian has some too, so maybe time for him to pipe in with a few words on this one, especially CSIO too...



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Hey Al (or anyone how has this) a question for ya..

I just got my 2nd printing First Fantasy Campaign and it is 96 pages, with some not labeled: first couple and last page (the booty list which goes to 93). The rest are from 1 to 92...Is this how the 1st has its pages labeled?



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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:40 am 
 

I can't get to mine ATM, but there is a cover printing difference between the first and second prints of FFC. The first has no price. The second has the price on it IIRC. After these two printings were the 68 page versions.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:58 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:I can't get to mine ATM, but there is a cover printing difference between the first and second prints of FFC. The first has no price. The second has the price on it IIRC. After these two printings were the 68 page versions.




I'll have a look when i get home as i have a 1st and a 2nd. am at work atm so cant look right now



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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:04 am 
 

My 2nd print FFC has the booty list on page 93 but no page number. It has the cover price of $7.98.



My 1st print has a much less elaborate (and shorter) booty list on page 93, but no page number. It also has no price on the front cover.



I also have a 3rd or 4th printing with no price on the front cover and only about 68 pages.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:28 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:My 2nd print FFC has the booty list on page 93 but no page number. It has the cover price of $7.98.



My 1st print has a much less elaborate (and shorter) booty list on page 93, but no page number. It also has no price on the front cover.


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thx. What's the highest booty list number on the 1st print FFC and is there anything else to confirm that is the first print?

(For some reason, the 1st, 3rd and 4th have no cover price? :?:)

  

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:45 pm 
 

As the 1st and 2nd prints are both 92 pages long, it may well be the case that the one with the large print price on the cover is the 1st and the one without is the 2nd print.



This would make more sense, also, as the cover then only changes design once.



Further, upon closer inspection, the one with the big cover price has no catalogue designation on the cover. All the others say JG37 to the left of the bottom block of text.



This would ring true with other printing and reprints of other products.



Does this make more sense?


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:25 pm 
 

Well I have the one with the price and its numbered pages go 1 to 92, but it has a booty list after page 92 and a drawing page, copyright page, table of contents page all before page number 1. Booty list is to 93 putting it at Apr 79.

Al's 1st I suspect maybe numbered the same page wise, not have the price, and has a booty list to #39 putting it at 1977 (I'd say june/july but then inside two of mine is the same forward by Bob and dated Aug 9, 1977)

My other copy is numbered 1 to 64 withou any unnumbered pages, with a More Fine products list to #380 putting it at 1980 (Oct-Dec)



So by that information I would say Al's copy is the 1st print and the two I have would be 2nd/3rd or 3rd/4th

I would really like to know if there is one that can be put at 1978, which it sounds like someone has such a copy? (if so I need a scan and what the highest # in the booty list is)



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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:30 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:This would ring true with other printing and reprints of other products.



Does this make more sense?


Don't think either myself or Al would complain (not that that should be a factor), but yes would make more sense in terms of fewer "jumps" in printing differences (and apparent jumps backwards to a previous state are always even more difficult to explain away; like that one on the OCEs which has bitten me for my presumptiveness!).



In context my copy went along with a run of other first prints from "J" onwards and beyond FFC, so would fit better that way, too.



Thanks for checking, Ian.

Does that "truncated" Booty list follow through to the 3rd print; or does that change yet again, I presume?

  


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:36 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:(I'd say june/july but then inside two of mine is the same forward by Bob and dated Aug 9, 1977)


Slightly delayed publication?



If that was a TSR product, it would be dated March/April 1977. :P



Plaag wrote:I would really like to know if there is one that can be put at 1978, which it sounds like someone has such a copy? (if so I need a scan and what the highest # in the booty list is)


Cue Ian again? :)

  

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:52 pm 
 

well anyone who says mines a 1st i am with them all the way :D



if u want me to check anything on it lemme know.



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