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Post Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:17 pm 
 

Hi everyone, long-time lurker, first-time poster here.  This is a great site and I've benefited from it a lot.  Thanks to all.

Question, and forgive me if it's been asked before-- what's the explanation for the supply of M/NM SW JG materials out there?  I bought a ton for quite cheap a couple months back and it was in outstanding shape, especially given the many years that have passed since this stuff was put out (and this is the original JG stuff, not the later reprints as far as I can tell).

My theory is that JG had a ton of inventory when it went under, flooding the market, but then how did this stuff survive in great condition for so long?  Is there just a very busy Kinko's out there or what?

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:02 pm 
 

Nah.  Most JG titles aren't worth the effort of making a quality fake.  And I doubt replicating low production value stuff accurately would be very easy.

Like you said, when they went under, they liquidated a billion copies, which some retailers just left boxed up in a closet.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:28 am 
 

Check the staples - a little rust is good !!

As regards the actual shrinkwrap - I've seen better!
Shrink wrapping NM JG modules to make them SW would seem like a viable business proposition :-P

In fact removing the JG shrinkwrap and reshrinking wouldn't be daft :lol:

  


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:30 am 
 

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Yeah, it makes you think, doesn't it?   :D

Still, with the relative dark age D&D went through in the early 90's (at least from my perspective as a 1e player and being college age at that time when.You.Just.Didn't.Admit to having that stuff in your closet at home), I'm amazed that retailers didn't look around the warehouse, see the JG stuff in a corner and sell it for pulp value just to make space.  They must not have, mordrin, I just have a hard time believing it.  One of life's little mysteries, I guess.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:36 am 
 

Achizar wrote:b_stedman,

least from my perspective as a 1e player and being college age at that time when.You.Just.Didn't.Admit to having that stuff in your closet at home), I'm amazed that retailers didn't look around the warehouse, see the JG stuff in a corner and sell it for pulp value just to make space. They must not have, mordrin, I just have a hard time believing it. One of life's little mysteries, I guess.


You'd be right if ours was a perfect world. As it is not, for the better or the worse, I guess that (luckily) some game shops simply forgot closed boxes of modules in dark corners of their storerooms... and they did resurface in all their glory years and years later.

"After you have slashed the fearsome dragon to bits, you discover iits treasure hoard... and between the glimmering of the shrinkwrap you discover a box of shrinkwrapped H1s, and a scattering of ST1s around, circling a pedestal where The Lost Mint Woody Box stands atop in full glory..."

Talk about dungeons and their hidden riches, anyone?

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:35 pm 
 

Actually, Judges Guild themselves was the culprit.  Upon re-emerging a few years ago, they began selling an enormous amount of vintage items that were supposedly overstock from the warehouse.  All of these items were mint and in the shrinkwrap.  Now, whether they were actually re-printing the items (I suspect they were), or really just clearing out 25-year-old material, who knows.  The items that they're selling (and may still be selling via their website) are indistiguishable from the items originally sold in the 70's and 80's.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:38 pm 
 

FoulFoot wrote:Actually, Judges Guild themselves was the culprit. Upon re-emerging a few years ago, they began selling an enormous amount of vintage items that were supposedly overstock from the warehouse. All of these items were mint and in the shrinkwrap. Now, whether they were actually re-printing the items (I suspect they were), or really just clearing out 25-year-old material, who knows. The items that they're selling (and may still be selling via their website) are indistiguishable from the items originally sold in the 70's and 80's.

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All of the items I bought from them back then (2-3 years ago) certainly SMELL old.  And the shrinkwrap seems old, too.

  

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afoolandhis$ wrote:All of the items I bought from them back then (2-3 years ago) certainly SMELL old. And the shrinkwrap seems old, too.


a lot of the JG stuff that i have doesnt smell new and some has the staples rusting, despite being in SW... old paper has a certain smell to it that you can't replicate so easy (like you would need to)....and a lot of them smell that way imo



  


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:35 pm 
 

Hmm, I agree that the SW seemed old, and I don't have a great sense of smell generally so it wasn't anything I necessarily would have noticed...I'll have to check it out tonight-- and hope that my wife doesn't catch me, though she is well used to odd behavior by now.  :wink:

  


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:03 pm 
 

:lol: , I know the feeling


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:14 pm 
 

There is an E-Bay seller in North Texas who last year purchased what he described as ALL of the remaining supply of warehoused older JG stock in the USA. He said it was being delivered to him from California in a shipping container, one of those 40' x 8' metal boxes. I was at his home picking up a large collection of older Shrinked JG Items. I am quite certain they were originals and in the original SW. His stuff was NOT re-shrinked.

He also told me that JG's US rep told him that JG was gearing up for a return to making new modules for the D20 and 3.5 Edition systems for AD&D.


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:46 pm 
 

On this topic, I've spoken to dealers through the years that had obtained large quantities of JG items, most in SW. Evidently some of it was from different warehouse stockpiles that reemerged. Others were evidently reprinted, as Foul mentioned he suspected. I don't know how one could corroborate this information, maybe contacting Bob Bledsaw?

Here's a link if anyone is interested:

judgesguild.net

It's a pretty interesting site, plus they have links to a couple forums.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:14 pm 
 

Tadashi still has a large supply of original shrinked JG stuff that he sells at cover price---it's not the broadest selection on the planet, but it's still substantial :D


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Aneoth wrote:There is an E-Bay seller in North Texas who last year purchased what he described as ALL of the remaining supply of warehoused older JG stock in the USA. He said it was being delivered to him from California in a shipping container, one of those 40' x 8' metal boxes. I was at his home picking up a large collection of older Shrinked JG Items. I am quite certain they were originals and in the original SW. His stuff was NOT re-shrinked.

He also told me that JG's US rep told him that JG was gearing up for a return to making new modules for the D20 and 3.5 Edition systems for AD&D.


i know this guy too and he also informed me of the same and then some. you wouldnt purchase this much stuff in the quantity he did, without some solid research etc....well i wouldnt anyway. i believe what he said too and the stuff is definately not re-shrinked.

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:39 am 
 

Aneoth/killjoy,

This guy you're referring to wouldn't happen to be paragon_games, would it? That's who I got all my stuff from-- excellent prices, pretty decent to deal with.  Interestingly, I just checked him out on ebay-- his prices have skyrocketed in the 2 months or so since I bought a pile from him.  Perhaps because he's cornered the market?

  


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Achizar wrote:Aneoth/killjoy,

This guy you're referring to wouldn't happen to be paragon_games, would it? That's who I got all my stuff from-- excellent prices, pretty decent to deal with. Interestingly, I just checked him out on ebay-- his prices have skyrocketed in the 2 months or so since I bought a pile from him. Perhaps because he's cornered the market?


Actually I think that is probably Fencert.  I bought a bunch of stuff from him a couple months ago. He is a good guy, easy to deal with. :D


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Aneoth wrote:There is an E-Bay seller in North Texas who last year purchased what he described as ALL of the remaining supply of warehoused older JG stock in the USA. He said it was being delivered to him from California in a shipping container, one of those 40' x 8' metal boxes. I was at his home picking up a large collection of older Shrinked JG Items. I am quite certain they were originals and in the original SW. His stuff was NOT re-shrinked.

He also told me that JG's US rep told him that JG was gearing up for a return to making new modules for the D20 and 3.5 Edition systems for AD&D.


Zocchi (anyone remember him?) had a gigantic warehouse full of JG stock that he doled out during the late 80's/early 90's at ridiculous prices. His stock was bought out, I bought almost all my JG items from this guy, he mentioned he had stacks and stacks of this stuff from the Zocchi buy, enought to fill a storage shed or two.  Apparantly JG weren't shy about massive printing runs of certain items.

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:35 am 
 

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Achizar wrote:Actually I think that is probably Fencert. I bought a bunch of stuff from him a couple months ago. He is a good guy, easy to deal with. :D


yeah thats who i got my stuff from, amongst a few others. he's one of the best ppl i have ever dealt with and one i thoroughly recommend stateside...along with my lil chummer draco, blarkie and of course aneoth too....sure i have missed others :)

never dealt with that paragon chappy....

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Badmike wrote:Zocchi (anyone remember him?) had a gigantic warehouse full of JG stock that he doled out during the late 80's/early 90's at ridiculous prices.


Lou Zocchi founded the first rpg distribution business, as well as Gamescience.  He's still around---Tadashi and I visited with him several times at GenCon this year :D


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grodog wrote:
Badmike wrote:Zocchi (anyone remember him?) had a gigantic warehouse full of JG stock that he doled out during the late 80's/early 90's at ridiculous prices.


Lou Zocchi founded the first rpg distribution business, as well as Gamescience. He's still around---Tadashi and I visited with him several times at GenCon this year :D


Zocchi is inadvertedly why I'm in this business.  Remember those full page ads he used to run in Dragon magzine, early 90's, with outlandish prices on old D&D stuff?  I saw a few of those and thought I was sitting on a gold mine, and started buying up additional items besides. When I finally got online, I found that although the items weren't worth the king's ransom he had priced them at in his store, they were worth something.  
  Another funny Zocchi story, he sold off most if not all of his used gaming stock off in the mid 90's.  I bought  a bunch of stuff from his store at a discount, at the time he mentioned that he was getting out of used RPGs because the market was about to crash and they were going to be worthless in his opinion. This was in about 1996 or 1997...!  :D

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