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Post Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:04 am 
 

well i generally don't care :)

i like my things and they way i do/go about them. if someone else don't like it? well thats life .... a house is nice and big - go and use another part then :)

(she was fine in the end...she sat and watched some beauty therapy thing on QVC......sheesh.... so i put my headphones on and listened to war of the worlds !! :D )



  


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:20 pm 
 

afoolandhis$ wrote:
mbassoc2003 wrote:The first Bella copy without the title sheet is the 1st edition, and was shipped with Judges Guild Journal to subscribers.

Thanks. That's exactly what Bella told me when I asked her about the apparent differences.

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If Bella was that hot on her research, she'd've never have fluffed the PotVQ! :P
(I passed that snippet re. the Tegel on to her, when running through the various valuations: Ian may have done so, too).

Got to be careful about how stories and research circulate, please: just like ST1s being sold-off for £1 ~5-6 months before they were even announced now being stated as "fact" (albeit to a not-particularly-interested gf ;))

  


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:43 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
Deadlord36 wrote:Mbassoc is right, I have 4 printings with minor variations such as coloring, etc.
See, I DID get up and check!


ok ok ok will let you off...you still retain your position of JG master....to go with ian, david and others i hold in similar regard...

but next time mister, more promptness plz! :D :D :D

Hey, Frank, you've got a tough case here. No respecter of time zones, whatsoever! :D

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mbassoc2003 wrote:I think, al la Rahasia and 1st Print PoVQ, you may find that they did many small print runs of the '1st print Tegel'.
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As with Modron and CSIO, the evidence seems to indicate that subcribers received their mods before they were released for sale by mail order.

(Plus 1st print OD&D set: possibly printing extra covers when required, so it appears...).

Is not quite in the same category, I think, since all of these had unknown small "demand" from potential buyers, whereas the Tegel had a known subscription base.
A few thousand subscription Tegels would make more sense as a single print run; in the first instance, at least.

Almost certain the subscription copies were made available first and there should have been some overrun from that, you would've thought- unless, of course, they'd under-estimated the growing number of subscribers and hence had to do a few "make up" print runs.
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Then, later, the orange copy for purchase in its own right, with those minor resettings.
(And/or they could've made those changes and back-filled any o/s or new subscription orders, but would need more information on that, I think).

mbassoc2003 wrote:As is would be near impossible to distinguish between them and put them in order with any certainty, and as they all seem to achieve the same sorts of values on eBay, I tend to consider them all as 1st Print Tegels.

Well, no-one had advertised the differences particularly well, so I wouldn't read much into the realisations ('cept they're all very much high-side, just now).

If there are text re-settings/amendments on the orange copies, that's a different print IMO regardless of where that is stated on a copyright/printing line.
The difference in paper stock would've been close enough in it's own right: certainly ample and consistent enough to note as a "variation", but with further supporting evidence from the sub copies vs. those separately bought.

Whether any of this actually makes a difference to $ or desirability in the long run is another matter, but I personally wouldn't pay overly high for an orange copy.

02 cents only, of course. ;)

  


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:53 pm 
 

Nice work, David.  As usual!   :D

  

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:59 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:If Bella was that hot on her research, she'd've never have fluffed the PotVQ!
(I passed that snippet re. the Tegel on to her, when running through the various valuations: Ian may have done so, too).

I passed along similar information on Tegel and CSIO to Bella. Would have been nice to have got a sticker though. :D

harami2000 wrote:Almost certain the subscription copies were made available first and there should have been some overrun from that, you would've thought- unless, of course, they'd under-estimated the growing number of subscribers and hence had to do a few "make up" print runs.
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Then, later, the orange copy for purchase in its own right, with those minor resettings.
(And/or they could've made those changes and back-filled any o/s or new subscription orders, but would need more information on that, I think).

I agree. The first print run of the first edition should certainly have been a single run for the subscriber copies.

harami2000 wrote:Well, no-one had advertised the differences particularly well, so I wouldn't read much into the realisations ('cept they're all very much high-side, just now).

If there are text re-settings/amendments on the orange copies, that's a different print IMO regardless of where that is stated on a copyright/printing line.
The difference in paper stock would've been close enough in it's own right: certainly ample and consistent enough to note as a "variation", but with further supporting evidence from the sub copies vs. those separately bought.

Whether any of this actually makes a difference to $ or desirability in the long run is another matter, but I personally wouldn't pay overly high for an orange copy.

02 cents only, of course. ;)

There is a large amount of info, and if a JG index were to be established at Acaeum, there is more than sufficient information to do a good job of it.


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:03 pm 
 

afoolandhis$ wrote:Nice work, David. As usual!  :D

Please don't take as 100% guaranteed, Stephen... :)

Sounds like this one needs a large stack of un-tampered copies to work out, but there should be groupings falling out somewhat along the above lines, I think.
If there are other smaller "make up"/interim print runs, good luck to whoever's trying to work things out: it might not be possible to determine a definite "print" sequence below red, then orange-red, in that case, with the others only classifiable as "variations" (in my terminology, anyhow).

Thank you for spotting that actual printing difference!

  


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:05 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:I passed along similar information on Tegel and CSIO to Bella. Would have been nice to have got a sticker though. :D


What, no sticker?  I got a sticker AND a coloring book!   :lol:


mbassoc2003 wrote:There is a large amount of info, and if a JG index were to be established at Acaeum, there is more than sufficient information to do a good job of it.


Great idea.  Would love to see it!

  
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