mbassoc2003 wrote:Yeah, I got the e-mail as well, but I see her point. If someone sent Tegel Manor back to her and got a refund through PayPal, she's got no PoVQ. And she's obviously been advised of its worth.



If eBay had asked her to remove the items, she should have just e-mailed bidders directly and asked for private bids. Especially if she already had some on the table.

If there's anyone around here who's more than 80% certain it's genuine, please stick your hands up.

Sounds like you're one of those, Ian



In which case, this is no way to run an auction for a "presumed" genuine item, which she refuses to let anyone attempt to authenticate, or return if unhappy.



Besides, we're getting pretty damn close to $306 now... (Hiya, John!).

As this is becoming an Acaeum case, I'd be just curious to see a piccie of the packing material that she's so courteously willing to send pictures around...



And well, we could persuade her to run the auction here instead in e-bay since the list of the bidders is strangely familiar...  :lol:

harami2000 wrote:

killjoy32 wrote:my thoughts are if she went off and researched it properly and THEN bumped it all back on seperately, she'd have prb got their proper worth anyway, without all the hassle that "might" come.....

Had offered days ago, at my expense, with a large deposit and totally "open" to the list, to check it out and return it with my evaluation, fwiw.

No interest.

very odd really isnt it? oh well ne'mind. my curiousity is aroused now and impulsiveness has kicked in **throws himself into the melee**

killjoy32 wrote:

harami2000 wrote:
Had offered days ago, at my expense, with a large deposit and totally "open" to the list, to check it out and return it with my evaluation, fwiw.

No interest.

very odd really isnt it? oh well ne'mind. my curiousity is aroused now and impulsiveness has kicked in **throws himself into the melee**

Remember, I did say $306 was the price of the last genuine copy.



Even if it is genuine, it is NOT the same printing as Ian's or mine....

I was just joking, mbassoc.

And thanks for the pictures !

harami2000 wrote:

mbassoc2003 wrote:So this one's going across the pond is it? Does someone know something about the 'quality' of the packing that they're not sharing? Yes. I've seen the photos.

Yeah, but only myself and one other person got the comment about the color of the cover... For good or bad, I really haven't got a clue, to be honest.

I actually made a remark last week about the color of the cover when the first auction was still up. It concerned me because it appeared to be to bright green versus the picture of the 3rd print that we have listed here on the site. No one really addressed my concerns, so I figured that I was just being paranoid. There are certain parts of this auction, that the more I read about it through everyone's comments, that this may just be a very well designed scam . The fact that "bella" was so unwilling to let somebody try to authenticate the item for her raises a huge red flag to me. Another thing of note, is the fact that she stated to me that EBay asked her to take the auction down because someone complained about her selling "photocopies". The fact of the matter is that the people who were bidding on her auction at that time for the most part were members here, who were pretty well convinced that the item was authentic despite her "photocopy" claim.  Now, IMO, that means 1 of 2 things. First thing is that someone from here did complain to Ebay hoping the auction would get pulled and hoping to purchase the PotVQ off EBay for a greatly reduced price. The other thing that could be happening is that she is just flat out lying about the whole EBay thing, that she is just planning on taking the money and running away, far away. In lieu of comments here made about charging the items back through Paypal, I must warn everyone that you will only be able to get back what Paypal can recover for you and not 1 penny more . I recently just found this out the hard way on a seller who never delivered the goods.

bclarkie wrote:

harami2000 wrote:
Yeah, but only myself and one other person got the comment about the color of the cover... For good or bad, I really haven't got a clue, to be honest.

I actually made a remark last week about the color of the cover when the first auction was still up. It concerned me because it appeared to be to bright green versus the picture of the 3rd print that we have listed here on the site. No one really addressed my concerns, so I figured that I was just being paranoid. There are certain parts of this auction, that the more I read about it through everyone's comments, that this may just be a very well designed scam .  The fact that "bella" was so unwilling to let somebody try to aucthenticate the item for her raises a huge red flag to me. Another thing of note, is the fact that she stated to me that EBay asked her to take the auction down because someone complained about her selling "photocopies". The fact of the matter the people who were bidding on her auction at that time for the most part were members here who were pretty well convinced that the item was authentic despite her photocopy claim. Now, IMO, that means 1 of 2 things. First thing is that some from here did complain hoping the auction would get pulled and hoping to purchase the PotVQ off EBay for a greatly reduced price. The other thing that could be happening is that she is just flat out lying about the whole EBay thing, that she is just planning on taking the money and running away, far away. In lieu of comments here made about charging the items back through Paypal, I must warn everyone that you will only be able to get back what Paypal can recover for you and not 1 penny more . I recently just found this out the hard way on a seller who never delivered the goods.

I suspect some are bidding because they know more about PoVQ covers than is posted here on Acaeum. I have the one Burnie sold, and mine is not the same colour as the one on Acaeum either. Mine is distinctly bright, almost neon yellow. I'm waiting to find out from David what colour his is, but I suspect your comment on colour did not go unnoticed. It was just not remarked upon by those who understood the implication.



I don't know if I'd want to send something I knew nothing about, off to someone I'd only exchanged e-mails with to have it authenticated.



I'm also having problems recovering money from a guy in the States who's done a bunk. There was no PayPal protection on his auctions.



PayPal have warned me that if they can't recover the money, I can't get it back. Even though I paid with a credit card. If my credit card recover the money from PayPal, they will review my case, and more than likely just deduct the funds from my account again. This is because the transaction disputed with the buyer is a different transaction entirely from the one transferring money from my credit card. That's why they split them up and give them different numbers.



So be warned. If you use your credit card, the odds are you have no recourse. And if there is no PayPal Protection on the transaction, they will still take the case and try to recover the funds, but at the end of the day you only have eBay to fall back on.



I wouldn't be risking £200 on those odds.

Just my 2.

johnhuck wrote:But check my feedback score.

I'd noticed, John!  8)  8)

Guys, this bella certainly knows what PoVQ is by now. If it was authentic, she'd have used the TEGEL as packing material. Is that a JG map in the bag with it?