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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:59 am 
 

I have a few items I need to have identified please.
I would like to thank you in advance for your help in identifying these items.

First: What exactly is supposed to be included in the Wave Riders and Sea-Steeds Map Supplement set?
Apparently; the original book had not included Ship Plans so a supplement was later released separately...

Second:  A Blank Sheet of paper.
Uses the same bumpy Heavy Stock Yellowish paper as used in many of the Judges Guild Wilderlands Maps.
It is also the same size as those maps are.
Here is the kicker.
It is Blank... on both sides.
Although there really is nothing to see, I took two pictures... see below.

Third: Also have another item that I suspect goes with a Traveller Set of some sort. (See pictures below)
It is a four fold sheet of white paper which has a Square Grid map (Otherwise blank) taking up half of one side, with two ship plans and ships papers taking the other half.
The other side includes various ships papers (One is Blank and several already made up)

Fourth: Set of two Maps.
Hex Grid with some structures and woods for some Space Game, likely Traveller.
Judges Guild is at bottom of Sheet 1, along with "Imperial Infantry Squad".

Blank Map Side A and Side B
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Third Question Item.
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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:41 am 
 

The green maps at the bottom are from the Judges Guild Imperial Infantry squad boxed set. You can still pick these up (I think they have them over at Dragonsfoot in shrink).

It is a set like the City State Warfare set. Don't recognize the other foldouts or map sheets.

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:10 am 
 

Thanks Jason.

Anyone want or need some extra copies of the Imperial maps for free?
I have one copy of sheet 1 and 15 copies of sheet 2 (Yes, 15 copies... 8O ).
What can I say... they were included with a bunch of other Judges Guild maps and other stuff that I recently purchased...
Sad thing is that the person I got them from REALLY loves Maps and stated that they were the most valuable items and would cost more than other stuff.
So he of course upped the price for the stack with the maps in it and these critters occupied almost half that stack.... (YIKES!)

Anyway, all of the Imperial Maps can be had for free to a good home...
Umn... actually any home 8)  ...  :lol:
Just pay media mail shipping in a plain large envelope (A couple of bucks in the US).


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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:44 pm 
 

Sea Steeds and Wave Riders has long been debated.  Apparently most people have first print copies that contained only the book and not the ship maps.  Myself and a few others have first print copies that came with both the book and ship maps.  In the Sea Steeds and Wave Riders thread Plagg and I recently discussed that JG advertising material indicates that the first print had both.  Who knows.  I think JG was pretty lax about how they compiled components.  Parts from different printings probably overlap and substitutions get made.  That is just my take on it.

The blanks pebble paper is likely just a misprint as it went through the process without getting inked, but got folded and stuffed into the pile.  Rember that JG assembled all their components for installment envelopes and later shrink wrapping.

The map of the spaceship is from this:

http://www.acaeum.com/jg/Item0089.html

  

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Post Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:14 pm 
 

I knew I changed the page: http://www.acaeum.com/jg/Item0066.html

Am curious if the blank folded paper has a watermark?

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Post Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:07 am 
 

The product that sold separately from Sea Steeds and Wave Riders was called Flotilla One.

It had three or four (I believe it was four) goofy maps showing view-from-above maps of the decks of ships, boats and even a raft.

All of the maps were identicle.  

They were printed on the brown parchment (pebble?) paper typical  of Judges Guilds products, with a hex grid superimposed.

I opened it up, expecting details on ships.  I was quite puzzled about the wierd product I found inside.  (I had purchased Flotilla One at a local game shop instead of purchasing a rather doubtful-looking product called Inferno.)

It was not until two decades later that I got a copy of Sea Steeds and Wave Riders (my copy had no maps) which explained the maps in Flotilla One.

I imagine there was someone who considered Flotilla One a fine gaming product.  I was appalled.


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:05 pm 
 

hi chaps

now y'all in your infinite wisdom can help me out here. i have this bunch of things. i need to know what belongs with what and what i am missing in which case, so i can collate them in a pile(s) and then work at finding missing pieces.

so i will list what i have. if anyone needs a pic to clarify something further, then just say and i will link one right away.

relates to city state of the invincible overlord:

city state of the invincible overlord booklet...coincides with whats listed as 1st print for JG62

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Initial Guidelines Booklet I (seem to have 6 of these!) (size 8.5in x 7in)

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Guidelines Booklet J (size 8.5in x 7in)

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Guide to the City State (got 3 of these) (size 8.5in x 7in)

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City State of the Invincible Overlord cover sheet) (A4 size)

Front:

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Back:

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City State Campaign Map One

Judges map

Players map

(only one side is printed of each map)

City State: map of the city with (c) 1976 on it - one sheet and one sided - size 17in x 22in)...doesnt say whether its a judges or a player map though

thunderhold map - one sided (size 8.5in x 11in) (c) 1976

thunderhold map front / sunstone caverns back - size 11in x 17in (c) 1976

4 piece map of city state of the invincible overlord (the city) size of each map appx 16.5in x 21.5in (c) 1976, all four are one-sided

if you need scans/pics of the maps i can do them, but prb not needed?

so guys can you help me out here and let me know whats what?

thanks very much :)

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:06 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
City State Campaign Map One

Judges map

Players map

(only one side is printed of each map)

City State: map of the city with (c) 1976 on it - one sheet and one sided - size 17in x 22in)...doesnt say whether its a judges or a player map though

thunderhold map - one sided (size 8.5in x 11in) (c) 1976

thunderhold map front / sunstone caverns back - size 11in x 17in (c) 1976

4 piece map of city state of the invincible overlord (the city) size of each map appx 16.5in x 21.5in (c) 1976, all four are one-sided

if you need scans/pics of the maps i can do them, but prb not needed?

so guys can you help me out here and let me know whats what?

thanks very much :)

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http://www.acaeum.com/jg/ModPhotos/City ... 2-2nd.html
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http://www.acaeum.com/jg/ModPhotos/CSIO ... rmill.html

For the City State - size 17in x 22in?

If its the top link then that is what you need for the CSIO Playing Aid.  What you are missing are the http://www.acaeum.com/jg/Item0008.html and http://www.acaeum.com/jg/Item0017.html from that list.

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:47 pm 
 

That first sheet is a real curio'.
I'd be interested to find out where that came from.


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:49 pm 
 

shane

studied the maps, yes 17x22 i just measured exact thats all....

the map compares more to the 2nd example rather than the first one mate.

so...?

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:58 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:That first sheet is a real curio'.
I'd be interested to find out where that came from.


you mean the cover sheet thing?

this pile of bits i have had for years and really have no idea where the heck i got them from...or even whether they were together - totally have no idea. just found em the other week when looking through a box and had totally forgotten i had them!

though i did find another tegel manor AND my shrinkwrapped one  :D

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:42 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:shane

studied the maps, yes 17x22 i just measured exact thats all....

the map compares more to the 2nd example rather than the first one mate.

so...?

Al


Then its the judges map, product code #9.  Does it have a water mark with the word "Hammermill Bond" or no?  If it does then those maps can belong with Wraith Overlords.

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:40 pm 
 

That blank map, I don't even see any hexes on it. That's what's throwing me.


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:08 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:
Then its the judges map, product code #9.  Does it have a water mark with the word "Hammermill Bond" or no?  If it does then those maps can belong with Wraith Overlords.

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yes they do have a hammermill bond watermark...so you think they are from a wraith overlord?

bear in mind i've actually never had an open copy of that. all i've ever had have been sealed. but i guess i could have simply gotten them with other JG stuff as extras i suppose?

so they are not part of a CSIO set then?

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:39 am 
 

Wraith Overlord doesn't come with a blank mapsheet or a blanp piece of paper does it?


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:53 am 
 

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:45 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Wraith Overlord doesn't come with a blank mapsheet or a blanp piece of paper does it?


The first set of pictures/first post is from Gnat the Beggar, Al is asking questions not related to that.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:56 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
yes they do have a hammermill bond watermark...so you think they are from a wraith overlord?

bear in mind i've actually never had an open copy of that. all i've ever had have been sealed. but i guess i could have simply gotten them with other JG stuff as extras i suppose?

so they are not part of a CSIO set then?

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'Hammermill Bond' watermarks do show up in 1976.  That map however was not apart of the CSIO set, only the players version at that scale.  The judges map for that set is the 4 section one.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:56 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote:Who's on first?


Exactly!

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:08 am 
 

Plaag wrote:
'Hammermill Bond' watermarks do show up in 1976.  That map however was not apart of the CSIO set, only the players version at that scale.  The judges map for that set is the 4 section one.

ShaneG.


umm well there are FOUR section maps of that size with the hammermill thing on shane, thats what i was trying to say to you?

now i am more confused than i was before i asked :)

i think i will just sell it all as a lot and anyone who wants it, can have it....fine with me :)

thanks anyway for all the help.

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