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Post Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:11 pm 
 

I don't have any evidence to suggest if it was printed or not.  It is listed on the back of Peddler's Ferry as "RIVALS: The City of North Landing" and on the back of World of Silverdawn as "The City of North Landing", also on loose order form sheet for Search for the Lost City, Society of Sorcery, and Plateau Capital of Evil as "Rivals!".

It seems to be promoted enough to me that it was probably produced.  Printing up copies as they went was also a philosophy of the company so it may exist under all 3 titles if it was in development.

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Post Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:46 am 
 

Eric Nelson Shook has a bunch of Pied Piper stuff (including Bottle City and The Living Room) up on Ebay right now:



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Post Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:09 am 
 

Badmike wrote:Eric Nelson Shook has a bunch of Pied Piper stuff (including Bottle City and The Living Room) up on Ebay right now:

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The Living Room, by Robert Kuntz (Out of Print) published by Pied Piper Publishing SIGNED: 113/300.

If you choose media mail, I am not responsible for the condition of the item upon delivery.




I guess he doesn't bother packing securely if you choose the cheaper shipping method  :roll: .


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:17 am 
 

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I guess he doesn't bother packing securely if you choose the cheaper shipping method  :roll: .

He's a newbie. He doesn't know the buyer gets his money back if the item arrives damaged. He'll learn the hard way.


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:21 am 
 

Probably. Too bad.


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Post Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:26 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:He's a newbie. He doesn't know the buyer gets his money back if the item arrives damaged. He'll learn the hard way.


*shakes head*

Yup.  Some sellers don't figure it out right away.


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:26 am 
 

A Metro Detroit Gamers tournament module:




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Post Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:21 am 
 

Seller has some MERP modules in Shrink including Dunland and Mount Gundabad. Seller also has a Gazetteer Five Shires in Shrink



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Umbar in Shrink (although the shrinl is damaged)




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Post Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:22 pm 
 

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Boardgame lot:



Perry Mason
First Quest
Wizard's Quest
Dragon Pass




Under $20 at the moment.


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Boardgame lot:

Perry Mason
First Quest
Wizard's Quest
Dragon Pass


Under $20 at the moment.




TSR made a Perry Mason boardgame?  Talk about not focusing on your core audience.


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:36 pm 
 

Exactly.  They did everything except what they should have...freakin' AD&D.


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FormCritic wrote:Exactly. They did everything except what they should have...freakin' AD&D.

Never put all your eggs in one basket.

Hasbro didn't get as big as it is solely through Monopoly. Nor did it get there by releasing expansion sets for a single product. It diversified.

It's an attempt to use a recognizable commodity to sell product. I might question the choices they used, but an up-and-coming company can't expect to succeed by a one-product-billcard. It would be like a seed company selling only radish seeds.

The flip side of this is that D&D was a good seller as it turned out. Would TSR have stayed a hobbyist mindset if all they did was D&D? No Boot Hill or Gamma World. No towels or LJN toys. No entertainment division.

Would that have been enough to keep Gary and Co. going past 1985? 1984? 1983?

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:10 pm 
 

Hasbro is a completely different sort of company with an entirely different clientele. They probably don't even know what their employees at WOTC are doing.  They are a very bad paradigm for evaluating what happened to TSR.

TSR killed themselves with all of the side projects.  They ruined their company by scattering their efforts into questionable or even downright silly side projects that cost them customers and wasted their cash reserves.  

They even screwed up Dungeons and Dragons, splitting their game into two games, then three games and fiddling with new editions and new ways to dissipate their efforts.

It was the colossal and damn near unexplainable failure to understand their core market that killed TSR.

WOTC is doing the same thing to themselves right now.  They struck it rich in the card game phenomenon, then struck it rich a second time, but their decisions since have been mystifying in the extreme.


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:00 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:WOTC is doing the same thing to themselves right now.  They struck it rich in the card game phenomenon, then struck it rich a second time, but their decisions since have been mystifying in the extreme.


Sorry Mark, I appreciate the comments just not 100% understanding, second time rich being D&D?


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:52 am 
 

WOTC scored a home run with Magic, The Gathering.

Then, against the better judgement of some of the company's highest ranking people, they took on the Pokemon franchise and ended up printing and selling cards in the billions.

They struck it rich two times.

It was Magic and Pokemon, along with the licensing properties associated with D&D, that interested Hasbro and subsequently made everyone in the company a millionaire.  I doubt the people at Hasbro know anything about D&D other than its name value.

Huge influxes of money are great for a company, but they can be dangerous as well.  Money is finite, as are gold rush windfalls.  They can lead to arrogance and bad decisions that end up sinking everything.  

WOTC, for instance, opened a chain of mall stores across the country that had small chance of paying for themselves.  When Hasbro bought the company, they first used these stores as a way to dump crappy merchandise from their warehouses and them closed them down.

Hasbro also closed down WOTC's world headquarters building, which was like a funhouse for gamers in the Seattle University District.  (Although, I have to say that this money-loser was cool as hell, and it was exactly what I'd do if I had $500 million in my game company pocket.)

That is what happened at TSR in a somewhat different pattern.

TSR branched out into books, boardgames, science fiction RPG's, superhero RPG's, post-apocalyptic RPG's, multiple versions of Dungeons and Dragons, cartoons, movies, dice games, the Saga system RPG and dozens of other ill-advised ventures.  

This was part of a trend that also included behind the scenes mistakes like hiring way too many staff and paying for company cars, a new corporate building and all of the other trappings of big business that drain resources.

Sadly, their decline also included poor quality game materials for 2nd Edition Dungeons and Dragons.

Unlike some others, I am not a WOTC hater.  I just think that WOTC is showing signs of senility.  This is most clear in their creation and handling of 4th Edition D&D, which has alienated a huge proportion of their core customers.  

The efforts of WOTC to build a cool, online empire were ludicrous (Gleemax!) and at least 10 years behind the technology online gamers have come to expect....so they fired their computer people, which was a good move, but should have been done two years earlier.

I hope WOTC recovers, puts out a stripped-down D&D 5th Edition and returns to the path of wisdom.  We'll see.


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:19 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:Unlike some others, I am not a WOTC hater.


Um.. okay.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:18 am 
 

Oh shit Mark I had all but forgotten "Gleemax".  I was at Gencon the year it debuted.  The general reaction was "WTF?" to the 100th power. Thanks for dredging up that painful image.

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Post Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:39 pm 
 

Lost Shrine of Kasar-Khan (not the boxed version):

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Post Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:42 pm 
 

All kinds of awesome going on here:

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(If/when the page gets yanked, I'll post a copy - too good to be missed!)


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:08 pm 
 

TheHistorian wrote:All kinds of awesome going on here:

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(If/when the page gets yanked, I'll post a copy - too good to be missed!)




Hey Steve,



That was just awesome and great way to start the week. :)

How the heck do you find this stuff?



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