Pre-d20 Kingdoms of Kalamar help needed
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Post Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:31 pm 
 

I'll scan them in and post a link if you guys would like to hammer out the details.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:36 pm 
 

If you've got a minute, go for it.  Thanks Frank.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:55 am 
 

Glad to help. I wish I could remember where/when I got it. I do know it came in the poly bag it's in now.


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:59 pm 
 

Here are some images to compare.  The darker is the first printing of volume one.  Volume two has matching coloration.

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:04 pm 
 

I've also determined that both of my books with the colour cover sheets are 2nd prints as well.

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:42 pm 
 

Interesting.

I'm not sure what the heck that tells us, but it's interesting.  :)


So that answers question 2, leaving 1 and 3 still open.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:20 pm 
 

Since it was determined that I don't have any first print Kalamar items, I ended up buying this lot:




** expired eBay auction **




It sounds like First Prints were not available in a boxed set but more of a ziplock.  Included are the two books, two maps, hex overlay and comment card.

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:17 pm 
 

That matches what Frank and I found when digging through his stuff.

So that's probably first, then color covers loose and brown covers boxed second.


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:12 am 
 

Curiosity has now stung me....

What are the printing dates for the two versions?


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:20 am 
 

1994 and 1995, if I remember right.


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:52 am 
 

Ya, the dates are 1st: July 1994 and 2nd: March 1995.

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Post Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:54 pm 
 

Okay. Now I have a theory.

Since (David) Kenzer is/was a corporate lawyer, he saved up his coin and printed the 1st print run (ala Gary Gygax), which funded the second print run, which was a box set.

That, in turn funded the printing of Tradgedy in the House of Brodeln (1995), Secret Temple of Adajy (1997), and Beneath the Waves (1998).

While these were being produced, Dave and his friends came up with ideas for adventures, but they couldn't produce them all in a standard-size format; hence, we get the digest-sized Kalamar Quests series (all printed 1999-2000).

After the relese of 3e, Dave signed a deal with WoTC to license the D&D logo to put on his campaign materials - likely all funded by those adventures (and a little comic called Knights of the Dinner Table).


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:04 pm 
 

Seems viable.

Go to the Kenzer Co forums and ask.  David posts there pretty much daily, so I'd be surprised if you didn't get an answer.


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:00 am 
 

Just to sum up, we believe that rule books were available as follows:

* 1st print - Volumes 1 & 2 in Ziplock Bag with maps, overlay and comment card

* 2nd print - Volumes 1 & 2 with maps in boxed set

* 2nd print books sold separately with colour covers

* 2nd print books sold separately without colour covers

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Post Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:38 am 
 

The box set has the plastic overlay as well.

Do you really think the separate books came two ways?  Not just copies with the color covers torn/worn off?  I don't know either way, just asking.


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:55 am 
 

TheHistorian wrote:The box set has the plastic overlay as well.

Do you really think the separate books came two ways?  Not just copies with the color covers torn/worn off?  I don't know either way, just asking.


I'm not 100% sure but it seems that most of the copies I have come across don't have the colour cover - I think I've had 5 or 6 copies of Volume 1 pass through my hands without the colour cover.  It seems like too many to have been lost.

Probably a good question to ask over on Kenzer.  If it was only available in the boxed set or with colour cover then I would guess the colour cover is now fairly rare.

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Post Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:23 am 
 

Hi,

i've got a couple of the colour cover books that I've never seen go on Ebay (not that I've looked REALLY hard mind).

One is shrinkwrapped, so it isnt from the boxset.

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Post Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:06 pm 
 

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We have been trying to sort out the printing history for the Volume 1 and Volume 2 Kalamar books. I think we have surmised that the following versions exist:

2 editions of the books as follows:

1st Edition: Volumes 1 & 2 sold in a ziplock bag with maps, hex overlay, comment card.

2nd Edition: Volumes 1 & 2 sold in boxed set with maps and hex overlay

Volumes 1 & 2 also sold individually with loose wraparound colour covers

Were Volumes 1 & 2 also sold individually without the wraparound colour covers? There seems to be lots of these books around - I think too many for them all to have lost their loose colour covers along the way.

Appreciate the help!

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as Jolly said, this is correct, basically. (we also sold flat, unfolded poster maps, and some heraldry of the various Deity symbols)

A few points you miss re: funding. We published the Monty Python and the Holy Grail CCG in 1996. That funded everything for the next 3 years-ish. We obtained funding from a bank loan (believe it or not), based on our business model, license and business plan.

Jolly came on board and we used the CCG money to print KoDT and by issue, I dunno, maybe 10-12 KoDT became profitable. It funded the Kalamar Quest books and new comics (KoDT Illustrated and HackMasters of Everknight...also Avalon). All that together funded the 3e Kalamar and HackMaster 4th releases, which in turn fueled K&C for several years.

Hope that helps.


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Post Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:24 am 
 

So were some of these more limited than others?  Especially the adventures.  I've been able to track down all but the following:

The Hungry Dead
Beneath The Waves
Full Color Map Set _ found this on ABE.com but ain't paying $100+ for it :?


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Post Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:09 am 
 

I'm missing a couple too, but different ones, so I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that they're all in the same general ballpark.



Except maybe the map set.  That I think is probably harder to find.  If it helps, you can see one here:  
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