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Post Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:09 am 
 

Does it still have the voodoo stuff? I remember suggesting some stuff along those lines to the author... might even have some of the pre-pub manuscript still.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:57 am 
 

serleran wrote:Does it still have the voodoo stuff? I remember suggesting some stuff along those lines to the author... might even have some of the pre-pub manuscript still.


See that's why its a good book - because Serl was a editor on it :)

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:47 pm 
 

Good book, don't trust what the author says online though (I've only been aware of him from when he dealt with Necromancer Games). I'm sure this book was changed since the incident and I know who was editing the book then for Necromancer Games, so trust their eye.
Other then all that, take the book as is.  It's what you're buying anyway, not the history behind it.

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:26 am 
 

See that's why its a good book - because Serl was a editor on it.


Oh no, not an editor, really. Just someone who was given some of sections of material to look at to get a "feel" for what it was about, since no one else was seemingly asking for a preview at the time. What I got was interesting, but I thought it could use a little added spice in a few areas, and so said so. I don't know what happened after that, or before it, other than what transpired on the NG boards every time the book (or author) was mentioned and have no stake in it myself, so was more curious than anything -- I am glad people like the book. Buying something and feeling you wasted your money is a horrible thing. Unless you like paper kindling.

And, I would not say anything is good just because I was somehow partially involved. I have had the honor of being involved in some pretty spectacular things, but that is inconsequential to me (or better said as not being a result of me)... but, you're playing, and I like the ego stroke. ;)


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:16 am 
 

I'd pay 10bucks for a copy,  but shipping via ebay is twice that


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:58 pm 
 


** expired eBay auction **




for those that may still be interested!  8)


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Post Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:51 pm 
 

Well those last two went very, very quickly... (I had an offer pending!  :lol: )

I'm taking a guess at who scored them both...??  :wink:


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:33 pm 
 

Turns out the UK distributor for WoTC and most of the major US RPG exports, Esvidium, have pulled out of 3/3.5E and d20, and liquidated their entire stock. They will now only be dealing in 4E and Pathfinder. These are liquidated wholesaler stock.


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:02 pm 
 

I'd have bought one, but I thought the P&P took the piss really. Guess thats a chance gone now though.. :roll:


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:17 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:I'd have bought one, but I thought the P&P took the piss really. Guess thats a chance gone now though.. :roll:


What does this mean?   :?  Could you translate this from British to English?


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Post Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:52 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:
What does this mean?   :?  Could you translate this from British to English?


:)  I would have a purchased a copy, however I thought that the postage and packaging charges were excessive for such an item. So I thought I may buy a copy via the 'make an offer' to reduce the overall cost.
Unfortunately the two remaining copies were bought before my offer was accepted, so it would appear that my opportunity to get a copy at the moment, has passed.
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Post Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:05 am 
 

ashmire13 wrote:
:)  I would have a purchased a copy, however I thought that the postage and packaging charges were excessive for such an item. So I thought I may buy a copy via the 'make an offer' to reduce the overall cost.
Unfortunately the two remaining copies were bought before my offer was accepted, so it would appear that my opportunity to get a copy at the moment, has passed.
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I thought that at £3.20 to ship a 220+ page hardback book within the UK, the P&P was very good. I couldn't ship it for that price.


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 am 
 

Really? I've sent heavy items and would have expected that to be around £2(ish). Not much, I know, but I just balk at ebay and the postage charges making up for the insertion fees etc.

Oh well, my loss.


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Post Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:39 pm 
 

I never gave Randy a hard time but I recognized he was a bit loopy. Sadly, the posted picture of him naked at the coke machine is burned in my brain forever. However, he still took a lot of crap and I wanted to reward him for his mental fortitude, so I bought a copy directly from him when it was released. He signed it (this was more for him than me) and I read it cover to cover. It is extremely silly in places, and very imaginative in others. Randy clear drew heavily from his Louisiana environment.

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Post Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:48 pm 
 

For good or bad, I think this is one destined to maintain a reasonable price and rise over the years. For those who can pick stock up at the $6-8 mark, this may be a good earner. It has a neiche market appeal, but deals specifically with an environment that is not tackled anywhere in RPG history (with the possible exception of parts of Garden of the Plantmaster, and Gateway to the Sunken Lands). I'm picking up stock of this and expect a 100% return in 12 months. For good or bad, writing style, souce material, and dubious authorship/plagerism accusations aside, this book has a solid base as source material and is known now to the wider collector and player communities. I think this is a solid investment at current prices.

Not one to build a campaign on, but a good basis if you're talented enough to build your own campaign world and want some foundation blocks. Pick from it what you want for your campaign swamp/jungle, but don't buy into Randy's campaign environ.


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Post Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:42 pm 
 

I think the issues of plagerism and IP came up when Randy made an online attempt to tie Dreadmire to one of the swamps of Greyhawk. This created an IP infringment and Necromancer dropped the whole thing before it got out of hand. It's a bit of a shame because those who disliked Randy were the ones who brought it to the attention of WotC and Necromancer games. Silly behavior all around but Randy was the one to lose the most in the incident.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:49 am 
 

Haven't seen a good (well written) review of this anywhere.
Seems as though Acaeum brought this out of obscurity.
The PDF release is horrific quality, so should be avoided.
Randy himself appears to be a bit nutz. Maybe it's the image he wants to potray.
Wonder how many hardbacks was him minimum order. 500 units? 1000 Units? Don't see there being more than 1000 copies worldwide, and don't see there ever being a reprint. But could be of moderate value at some time. A good investment given the current sub-$10 price tag.


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Post Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:42 am 
 

Icar wrote:Sadly, the posted picture of him naked at the coke machine is burned in my brain forever.


8O ????  Thereby hangs a tale.....


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Post Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:31 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Wonder how many hardbacks was him minimum order. 500 units? 1000 Units? Don't see there being more than 1000 copies worldwide, and don't see there ever being a reprint. But could be of moderate value at some time. A good investment given the current sub-$10 price tag.


These are probably not numbers you will ever find out from Randy.  I remember reading his website with the updates and they were saying how the 1st print sold out and the PDF had reached 1000 copies sold, etc.  With those kinds of numbers, I would have expected to see the book in every game shop instead of almost none.  Of course, it could be that the "1st print" is really the test of 1 copy or something like this.

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:16 pm 
 

Icar wrote:I think the issues of plagerism and IP came up when Randy made an online attempt to tie Dreadmire to one of the swamps of Greyhawk. This created an IP infringment and Necromancer dropped the whole thing before it got out of hand. It's a bit of a shame because those who disliked Randy were the ones who brought it to the attention of WotC and Necromancer games. Silly behavior all around but Randy was the one to lose the most in the incident.


IIRC he set it in the Great Swamp south of Sunndi.  Plus, and this is memory working overtime here, some claims he had "borrowed" monsters from online sources without proper attribution.  I have no idea if this was true or not but I remember BITD the Greytalk lists were full of back and forth about this.

I remember viewing the 1st print "sold out" claim with sketicism, since I had (and still never have) seen a copy of Dreadmire out in the wild.  Then again as Mars said, 1st print could have been 50 copies or something, who knows.

I would also dispute the "investment" claim in this material.  While it may be a good read and useful resource, I'm going to go out on limb and say besides the fan that has to have everything, no one will care about this product now or in the future enough to pay premium prices for it. Particularly since there is a pdf out there floating around. It simply won't arise to the point of interest that everyone has to have one, especially when there are dozens of niche 3E related products out there just like it, only better known and more sought after.  As Ian says if you can find a copy or two for $10 or less, it's a nice pickup. I wouldn't touch it for much more than that.

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