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Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:01 pm 
 

Just received a copy of this d20 book. I've only looked through it lightly, but this is one impressive book. For some reason I was expecting a soft cover. This thing is a beautifully bound hardcover. The artwork and maps are excellent. The print is on the small side for my aging eyes, but this damn thing is densely packed with information. (Unlike most Mongoose publications I've seen with their thick and distracting margins).

It will take me some time to go through this, but I've already spotted over half a dozen things I can use in my campaign. Depending on the print run I can easily see this as a future d20 collectable.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:14 pm 
 

You remember Randy from Greytalk, Jason?


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:19 pm 
 

grodog wrote:You remember Randy from Greytalk, Jason?


I remember Randy, and as I mentioned to Badmike a lot of what was said about him came from a clique that gave me a lot of trouble too. Back then when I was having heart trouble and my Dad was dying of lung cancer I was getting crap from these same people.

So why not just judge this book by its content and not by more of the same from people who have an axe to grind.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:49 pm 
 

JasonZavoda wrote:
I remember Randy, and as I mentioned to Badmike a lot of what was said about him came from a clique that gave me a lot of trouble too. Back then when I was having heart trouble and my Dad was dying of lung cancer I was getting crap from these same people.

So why not just judge this book by its content and not by more of the same from people who have an axe to grind.


Irregardless of Randy's sins, I'll end up purchasing the book at some point.  The creator shouldn't be a reflection on the material, and vice versa. I love swamps and swampy-type adventures so this should come in handy.  

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Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:33 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:I love swamps and swampy-type adventures so this should come in handy.

You live in Texas, not Louisiana!

Bastion Press' Into the Green has some jungle information, too.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:17 am 
 

Whatever faults the writer did or did not have...

Dreadmire is an excellent book, jammed with ideas and fun to read.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:23 am 
 

damn, this is the 2nd time this has been praised in recent months and I still cant get a copy in the UK...


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:25 am 
 

ashmire13 wrote:damn, this is the 2nd time this has been praised in recent months and I still cant get a copy in the UK...


Not long ago, the author couldn't seem to give them away on Ebay.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:43 am 
 

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Not long ago, the author couldn't seem to give them away on Ebay.


The asking price is also starting to go up. $7.99 before and now they are starting at $9.99

  


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:29 am 
 

so would anyone have a spare copy they may wish to sell/trade? Found it on ebay, but shipping kills it really.
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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:11 am 
 

I tried to arrange a deal with the seller for ordering a few copies to ship to Canada instead of shipping each copy for $16 shipping.  But, after 2 weeks I heard they could put 2 or 3 copies in a Priority Flat Rate box then never heard back on a price for ordering 3 copies.

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:17 pm 
 

I've tried talking to seller a couple of times too, but the guy is completely ignorant. Any idea whether it's the author himself (which allegidly would be in keeping with his personality) or someone else? I presume everyone knows of the legal wrangle and allegations of theft and plagerism surrounding this product. Not the first time such allegations have been levied at the author.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:44 pm 
 

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The asking price is also starting to go up. $7.99 before and now they are starting at $9.99


We talked about it on the Acaeum.  :D


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:19 pm 
 

Yes, I'm sure the surge of interested buyers is the cause of the raised price.  It is now $10.99.  The earlier ones started and sold for $3.99.

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:53 pm 
 

Mars wrote:Yes, I'm sure the surge of interested buyers is the cause of the raised price.  It is now $10.99.  The earlier ones started and sold for $3.99.


About 3 weeks ago, I paid $10.50 with $3.49 Shipping.
Three bidders, listing started at $7.99.
I have not gone through it all. :oops:


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:21 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:I've tried talking to seller a couple of times too, but the guy is completely ignorant. Any idea whether it's the author himself (which allegidly would be in keeping with his personality) or someone else? I presume everyone knows of the legal wrangle and allegations of theft and plagerism surrounding this product. Not the first time such allegations have been levied at the author.


And by the same bunch of sumbags too. This book has been out since 2005. So somebody should post exactly what was plagerized. Not that I've seen, just the same smear campaign by a bunch of faceless internet a-holes.

What legal wrangles?

I don't know the author at all so I won't comment on his personality but I know what I've read. I haven't read of a single legal action. I haven't seen a single comparison of material to show plagerism. I have heard from people that they didn't like the book, but that simply appears to be that they didn't like the author. So far the book looks great.

For a guy so reviled in this hobby he has done an amazing job with this independent product, and that is what this thread should be about. The quality of this product. If anyone has actual proof of plagerism please post it.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:00 pm 
 

As far as I have read there is no "proof" that has been published.  The only history is that Necromancer rejected the book's publication because of plagerism.

The author then published the book himself - I mean through Spellbinders (not related to the other Spellbinders) which was their only product.  Actually it is claimed that Spellbinders has been around for decades and produced 4 kids books that no can find and have not been documented anywhere.  The author then created/ran their webpage and eventually bought the company.  On the Spellbinder forums, you could read about how the book sold out of their 1st and 2nd prints and how they sold over 1000 PDF copies, etc, etc.

I don't know who gave him a hard time back in the day on Greytalk or what their "proof" at the time was either.  I'm saddened that they gave you (Jason) a hard time back then too because you seem like a straight up guy here.  The current/recent backlash to the author seems to be from Necromancer Games who are also the ones who appear to be completely clueless on the marketplace and are trying to sell their Rappan Athuk Reloaded for $1K.  Don't get me wrong, the author seems like a nutball but so do all the people accusing him of stuff.

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:28 pm 
 

Mars wrote:As far as I have read there is no "proof" that has been published.  The only history is that Necromancer rejected the book's publication because of plagerism.

The author then published the book himself - I mean through Spellbinders (not related to the other Spellbinders) which was their only product.  Actually it is claimed that Spellbinders has been around for decades and produced 4 kids books that no can find and have not been documented anywhere.  The author then created/ran their webpage and eventually bought the company.  On the Spellbinder forums, you could read about how the book sold out of their 1st and 2nd prints and how they sold over 1000 PDF copies, etc, etc.

I don't know who gave him a hard time back in the day on Greytalk or what their "proof" at the time was either.  I'm saddened that they gave you (Jason) a hard time back then too because you seem like a straight up guy here.  The current/recent backlash to the author seems to be from Necromancer Games who are also the ones who appear to be completely clueless on the marketplace and are trying to sell their Rappan Athuk Reloaded for $1K.  Don't get me wrong, the author seems like a nutball but so do all the people accusing him of stuff.


Thanks. I may piss people off but I don't lie to people. That being said I have no association with the author except for some contact back in the greytalk days so I can't speak for his personality.

But I do want to speak out for what is looking like an excellent book. I don't play d20 but I take material for my campaign from wherever I can find it. I don't have a swamp sourcebook (swamp, which is a big difference from jungle) and this one covers a lot of material.

Like I said I was expecting a softcover, but it is a very nicely bound hardcover. 223 densely packed pages of information, with decent to very nice illustrations.

It has an extensive table of contents (3 pages) covering multiple headings for each page. It has an index of places for anyone using the setting as named in their campaign. Its largest section deals with new creatures for a swamp campaign but it also has a few pages on how to create your own swamp creatures after the monster listings. It offers a new type of magic with new spells, new classes (not for me, but interesting to adapt for NPCs in my campaign), new items, a glossary and lexicon of swamp related terms, a few adventures, listings of NPCs the dreadmire campaign write-up. Etc...

At a later time I can comment on the specific usefulness of these for a 1e campaign. I will probably write a review for Dragonsfoot, but right now I can say it was well worth the $10 it cost me.

Now if someone wants to post what material from this published book is plagerized please do so. Otherwise let's just talk about this book. I don't know if there are other printings but the copy I received after winning an ebay auction is a 1st printing hardcover published 2005

So far this stands out high above the bulk of third party d20 material I have come across and way, way above any one shot independent book I've seen so far.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:38 pm 
 

The story of Dreadmire is that it is the author's labor of love, completed over a number of years.

Even allowing for poetic license, Dreadmire seems to me to be an example of the best sort of thing that happened as a result of the OGL.

A guy who probably wouldn't have gotten published before put out a really nice book with lots of neat artwork, a dense storehouse of ideas and some really great, green, goofy gaming goodness.

I hope he made his money back on it.  Dreadmire has an honored place in my D20 collection.  Even at its slightly higher current price, Dreadmire is a bargain that people will wish they'd collected when they had the chance.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:31 am 
 

I'd be interested to read a review of the book (preferably from someone I know). I remember information coming out at the time, but I didn't archive anything back then, probably naively so, just as I didn't buy RARs untill they were $100 a shot. But there are few people who engendered so much hatred about their RPG dealings, and he's one of the RPG industy's pariahs, up there with Lorraine Williams. Admittedly for a much less substantial reason. But to achieve that is quite something, and also I do tend to go with the 'where there's smoke' thing.

As regards NG trying to shift RAR at $700, I've already suggested that's a reflection of the guy's over inflated ego, which obviously is way out of touch with reality on account of the company no longer existing. If his product were really worth that, the company would be solvent and so whould his career.


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