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Post Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:48 pm 
 

The general problem with BBG and RPGG presumably, is that you can't trust the oinformation they post to be correct, and once they know something is incorrect they will lie and stonewall people because they are ars'holes and they can't be bothered correcting their mistakes.

It's that simple, and I don't see how some site aiming to profit from publishing erroneous materials and bullsh't can possibly benefit the community.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:39 pm 
 

I have always used BGG to try to find out if board games are complete. I collect certain genres of hex and counter boardgames and would be lost without that site. It is often so hard to now if counters are missing or not and BGG has many content scans that make it possible to check.

Reading the start up has amazed me - based on my experience with the Wiki. We've been going for about nine months and have over 1,600 listings and over 3,000 images. Not bad, but the bulk of that work has been done by six or seven people with another 12 or so being very occasional contributors. But when you look at the RPGG startup thread, it looks like hundreds are rearing to go to upload content. They'll probably eclipse us in a couple of months.

Does anyone know if they operate by the same rules - i.e. that you need to own the item and scan it yourself and not copy from other sites?

  


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:26 am 
 

I'd think/hope they own the items they put up, but from what I have seen in places on BGG, there will be pictures and descriptions very, very 'similar' to items elsewhere on the Interweb...


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Post Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:11 am 
 

If they get anything for contributing pictures I suspect a lot of image stealing.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:58 am 
 

Contributors to any listing get "Geek Gold", which IMO leads to a lot of image and description stealing as well as repetition and superfluous images.

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:49 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:Contributors to any listing get "Geek Gold", which IMO leads to a lot of image and description stealing as well as repetition and superfluous images.

It can. To be fair, though, the admins over there do, from time to time, remind users to steer clear of outright theft from other sites. We'll see.

As far as repetition goes: prepare yourselves. There will be endless variations of images from the more easy-to-find products. As Mike says, when you offer incentives for content, but then don't really police the content, you get 88 versions of the B2 cover.

(GeekGold, BTW, is one of the two false economies over there that have really helped to turn the place into a haven for self-important OCD tight-asses. It's pathetic to watch grown men worry about things like avatars and little itty-bitty badges that you have to squint to see even on a gigantic monitor.)

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:55 am 
 

http://rpg.geekdo.com/

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:33 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:http://rpg.geekdo.com/

It's begun.

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Wow.  It could be a full time job just correcting the entries that are already up there....

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:02 pm 
 

They will never correct the entries that are posted. They don't give a f'ck who posts what so long as you post a picture. They don't even care if it's the same picture as everyone elses. At least some users post their names and pictures. That way when you meet them at a Con' you know what an AH they are before they open their mouth. Still, at least Eryops is all excited about it. That's cool.


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:59 pm 
 

The information looks generic with no more information than Amazon has.

And the information is just so . . . wrong.  Does the back of the 4E DM Screen really have this many typos and other errors?  If a current product like the 4E DM Screen is this frelled-up, what about OOP products?

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The heavey cardstock, four-panel Dungeon Master's Screen also kereps players from seeing what's coming up in the adventure--use it to hide your encounters, maps, miniatures, and even dice rolls from prying eyes!

  

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:01 pm 
 

. wrote:They don't give a f'ck who posts what so long as you post a picture. They don't even care if it's the same picture as everyone elses. At least some users post their names and pictures. That way when you meet them at a Con' you know what an AH they are before they open their mouth. Still, at least Eryops is all excited about it. That's cool.

Right little hive of positivity about the hobby in general we are tonight... :)
The site co-ordinators and contributors obviously care about something and even presuming that 100% of them only give a damn about their own "score" you'll still have to convince me that what's being produced is totally worthless and cannot be "rescued" in any way.

. wrote:They will never correct the entries that are posted.

Tell you what. You pick four corrections to make to their site and I'll pick four for the Acaeum's listings and we'll see how many have been amended online within the week... fair enough?

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:03 pm 
 

. wrote:They will never correct the entries that are posted. They don't give a f'ck who posts what so long as you post a picture. They don't even care if it's the same picture as everyone elses. .


Yeh.  Apparantly you get rewarded for making an item submission or uploading a scan, but not for correcting an item, or even for making sure the item info is correct. So the accuracy is abysmal, as a reference this this is absolutely horrendous.  I was able to log on and make a couple dozen corrections to entries OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, and some more after consulting either the module at hand or Heroic Worlds.  Like I said, it could be a full time job for anyone willing to take the time.

For example, check how often stuff like publisher, page number, size, etc are left off descriptions.  IMO, that means either the lister is simply stealing the image from somewhere and posting it to get a reward, or is too fucking lazy to even open the thing to make the listing correct.

Notes about items (for example, if an item has a map or handout) are non-existant.  Mostly because you don't get rewarded for saying so.

This could actually be quite a nice reference place in about 10 years or so after all the hastily slopped up entries are finally corrected by knowledgable sources.

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:15 pm 
 

faro wrote:Right little hive of positivity about the hobby in general we are tonight...

We're all little f*cking rays of sunshine.  You should know that by now.  :)

It's just that RPG Geek does not appear to have been ready for launch.  If the site is just a collection of generic information and errors . . . why bother with it?  Other, better options are available --- The Acaeum, brenfro's TSR Archive, and the Tome of Treasures are three sites that come to mind.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:19 pm 
 

faro wrote:Tell you what. You pick four corrections to make to their site and I'll pick four for the Acaeum's listings and we'll see how many have been amended online within the week... fair enough?

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I see your point David. But I'd counter with "I'll find TEN corrections to the RPG Geek site for every ONE you need to make here...." and I'd have a hundred more left over.  The entries are mostly incorrect, and not in the ways Acaeum entries are incorrect.....I'm talking basic stuff not esoteric differences in editions.

Some of the corrections I made just drive-by edition: Adding DCS as artist to B1; correcting James Holloway's entry in the database (it was spelled James Halloway); Adding TSR to publisher for most of the Star Frontiers stuff; adding correct page count to about a dozen items; adding map or poster information to a few listings; correcting a few Gamma World entries (that area is a MESS); Changing a writer or two for a few products. and more...and that's just flitting around the site.

A gripe is that there is no consistency to the categories of D&D items....basic items are listed as 1E, 1E items listed as 2E, 2E are listed as basic, a lot of stuff is listed as 3E, etc. I got the impression a lot of contributors weren't familiar with the cutoffs between editions and just threw everything in there to cover their ass.

I will say I think this could be a really good reference site in a few years, as long as contributors stay interested and keep correcting and updating. And, the correction process seems to be quick and easy (I haven't had an editior disallow a correction yet...wonder if you could sneak someting silly in there just for giggles?)

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:20 pm 
 

JohnGaunt wrote:We're all little f*cking rays of sunshine.  You should know that by now.  :)

It's just that RPG Geek does not appear to have been ready for launch.  If the site is just a collection of generic information and errors . . . why bother with it?  Other, better options are available --- The Acaeum, brenfro's TSR Archive, and the Tome of Treasures are three sites that come to mind.


RPG Geek is a site meant to generate traffic and revenue, and as such the listings don't have to be accurate, only plentiful....

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:24 pm 
 

JohnGaunt wrote:We're all little f*cking rays of sunshine.  You should know that by now.  :)

:lol:

JohnGaunt wrote:It's just that RPG Geek does not appear to have been ready for launch.

Depends on how many people they think might be willing to work on data acquisition and/or are awaiting the opportunity to use the networking, collection management and other features. And people have been waiting a /long/ time.
The important step was to ensure the database structure was not /fundamentally/ flawed and give that a good rattling with some start-up data. There was no way they were going to suddenly go live with 50% of everything that's ever been produced with 95% accuracy with just a beta test team.

JohnGaunt wrote:If the site is just a collection of generic information and errors . . . why bother with it?  Other, better options are available --- The Acaeum, brenfro's TSR Archive, and the Tome of Treasures are three sites that come to mind.

(You forgot rpg.net ;) *jk*)
All of which have limited search functionality and none of which have a database backend or community integration.

02c/ymmv anyhow,
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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:33 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:I see your point David. But I'd counter with "I'll find TEN corrections to the RPG Geek site for every ONE you need to make here...." and I'd have a hundred more left over.  The entries are mostly incorrect, and not in the ways Acaeum entries are incorrect.....I'm talking basic stuff not esoteric differences in editions.

Mhmm... agreed, Mike. I can see a good few errors from a casual glance but have to admit that's a seriously huge scope they've set and I'm pretty sure the number of active beta test team member was very small to cover that. I'm happier to see that live and ropey vs. not there at all, though, since it's better to get things rolling once they knew the underlying structure and sample data entries could cope. The existing BGG is not totally dissimilar for those, anyhow; tried-and-trusted with a solid userbase.

Badmike wrote:Some of the corrections I made just drive-by edition: Adding DCS as artist to B1; correcting James Holloway's entry in the database (it was spelled James Halloway); Adding TSR to publisher for most of the Star Frontiers stuff; adding correct page count to about a dozen items; adding map or poster information to a few listings; correcting a few Gamma World entries (that area is a MESS); Changing a writer or two for a few products. and more...and that's just flitting around the site.

A gripe is that there is no consistency to the categories of D&D items....basic items are listed as 1E, 1E items listed as 2E, 2E are listed as basic, a lot of stuff is listed as 3E, etc. I got the impression a lot of contributors weren't familiar with the cutoffs between editions and just threw everything in there to cover their ass.

Well, if people want to help, they can.
Heck, there might even be value in getting official buy-in en-masse rather than just from individuals. Or would they really reject an offer for an "expert" team from "over here" to go tidy-up/work on "over there"?

Badmike wrote:I will say I think this could be a really good reference site in a few years, as long as contributors stay interested and keep correcting and updating. And, the correction process seems to be quick and easy (I haven't had an editior disallow a correction yet...wonder if you could sneak someting silly in there just for giggles?)

Mike B.

Absolutely sure; the same goes for Wikipedia and despite editor frustrations there that's still very much "of general value" across a very wide range of topics. No-one ever claimed that either would kill off the need for specialist sites. :)

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:58 pm 
 

I read the Chaosium entry and most of it is lifted directly from the Chaosium web site.


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:01 pm 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:I read the Chaosium entry and most of it is lifted directly from the Chaosium web site.

http://rpg.geekdo.com/rpgpublisher/23 , first line. "From the Publishers website:"
There's a link at the top of the page to drum up business for them, too.


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:26 pm 
 

Problem is, they are turning the word 'geek' into the word 'wanker'. In my experience, 'geeks' are fastidious and detail orientated to the point of boredom if you are not similarily 'geeky'. Where as 'wankers' in my experience are ignorant people who are generally full of shit.


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