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Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:16 am 
 

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A little background first; I'm a GC by day (trim carpenter how I got started), and an accomplished woodworker, I think,  :wink:.

As a hobby I started making "scratch" models of Medieval/Classic vessels. It's a "Zen" kinda thing for me, to date I've only made 3, it's a time consuming and labor intensive project. So far I've constructed a Penteconter, Trireme, (both based on wreck dives I'd done) and a Drakkar (based on the Gokstad ship). I've since given them away to friends and family My Uncle & my Ex's dad both being Navy wanted them so...Marines take care of others, against our better judgment I know, it's in our nature  :lol: Now I want something for my own mantle.

My next project was to be Nelson's Flagship "Victory", but I'm in a mood to challenge myself, and it's been done already, not that Victory wouldn't be challenge!

Anyway, I'm interseted in finding any info I can regarding Moorcoks' Battle barges; drawings, deckplans from an old RPG...WHATEVER!

I'd no interest in Mini's as a kid, so might have missed  something from Chaosium BITD, but thought some of you might have something in regard to the info I'm looking for.

If it's something you don't want to part with I'd gladly pay for your time to scan it, PDF whatever. I really don't need the item itself, just the images to help with my plans. I've CAD software (pricey stuff I must say!) I use for work so I'll cheat where I can :wink:

Any help would be appreciated!


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:47 am 
 

I seem to recall a picture of one in the Elric wargame that Chaosium put out:  it was on the back of the box. The picture gallery at Boardgamegeek has scans of the counters and the front of the box, but unfortunately not the back.


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:30 am 
 

OK - found it.  
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Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:50 am 
 

There was a rocking picture of a battle barge on the cover of one of Mongoose's relatively recent Elric supplement books... (looks) ...

here we go:

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/rpg/d ... Series=50#

It is only a thumbnail on that link, but clicks up to a larger pic.  It looks great, perhaps a little warhammer-ey, and I don't remember any mention of sails in the Moorcock books.  But still, you get the picture of what they were meant to be like - completely dominating in a sea battle.

Oh, also, Chaosium is selling shopworn 'Sailing on the Seas of Fate' supplements cheap.  Apparently this has stats/info for the battle barge.

http://catalog.chaosium.com/product_inf ... ts_id=2389


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:00 am 
 

I can confirm that the Sailing on the Seas of Fate book contains information and a few drawings about the battle barges.

Oddly enough the sale price on the new book is cheaper than their shopworn copy.

http://catalog.chaosium.com/product_inf ... ucts_id=64


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:43 am 
 

Some of the stats as per the book:

Length: 500 feet
Beam: 110 feet
Capacity: 100 tons
Freeboard: 25+ feet
Draft: 8 feet
Crew: 2,000-3,800 drugged slave rowers, 200+ warriors, 100 officers & crew.
Other notes: gold armor on sides, 3-6 banks of oars (8/9/10 arrangement for 3-bank barge), multiple rudders, up to 18 war engines including trebuchets.


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:16 pm 
 

At the risk of derailing the thread - can anyone say whether the mongoose Elric books are any good (i.e. worth getting - for gaming, or for background reading)??

The cover art looks good - but that can often be deceptive..  :D


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:33 pm 
 

I've only flipped through them, so take these for what they are:

Lawrence Whitaker (Rogue Mistress, Fate of Fools, Unknown East, the Hawkmoon monogrpah) wrote a large number of them, so if you liked his work for Chaosium's line you'd probably like the ones he wrote at least.

On the other hand, they've got some horrendously large margins in them (the Hawkmoon books particularly) to the extent that from a word-count perspective I'm not certain they're worth the price that Mongoose charges for them.


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Post Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:24 pm 
 

Thanks for all the info guys!

Putting me on the right track, have some books on their way here now!
The mongoose pic seems a little "goth" to me, all kinds of different takes on the vessel, be interested to find out which was closest to Moorcocks' vision of the barge, I'd always thought it was sail driven as well, HMS Victory was a little less than half the dimensions of a barge. And Victory was over 3,500 tonnes! No amount of amped up slaves would've been able to move that along for long...Of course they did all die...

My vision was somewhere around a "Nemi ship" hull, much lower freeboard,  and a ziggurat style deck structure, problems with that being mast arrangement, placement of ballistae, onagers, "grapnel throwers" & corvices'. And now trebuchet, I don't think a vessel of 500' keel could've supported more that 2-3 max? Even with that broad of a beam, they're pretty massive. Unless the masts would be "struck" or "unstepped" prior to battle.

Fantasy writers being exactly that; little or no idea that their concept wouldn't be engineerable! For example; with a 25' freeboard area; suddenly corvices become unworkable as well...Consider the much lower freeboard area of "Young kingdoms" galley, any Melnibonean marines that survived the fall to the deck of a captured galley would be quickly butchered...

And I'm almost sure that there was some kind of "greek-fire" thrower as well? Or am I imagining that  :lol:

Always knew this could turn into a "monster" :wink:

Thanks to g026r, red_bus, jason1239, & stumbling tiger. It's appreciated


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:37 am 
 

If you have any questions about the concept of the battle barges you might ask the author directly.

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Post Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:14 am 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:Some of the stats as per the book:

Length: 500 feet
Beam: 110 feet
Capacity: 100 tons
Freeboard: 25+ feet
Draft: 8 feet
Crew: 2,000-3,800 drugged slave rowers, 200+ warriors, 100 officers & crew.
Other notes: gold armor on sides, 3-6 banks of oars (8/9/10 arrangement for 3-bank barge), multiple rudders, up to 18 war engines including trebuchets.


Just got that same booklet you must be ref'n, pics are great for my needs. Still don't know how I'm going to make some of the material ref'd in the Elric saga work, but I think I'm on the right track. I did check out his fan site, seems like he checks it once a year or so...

Thanks again guys for the heads up!


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:03 am 
 

This is a sketch by Den Beauvais for stormbringer.. might be what you are after

http://www.denbeauvais.com/Art_For_Sale ... ringer.jpg

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