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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:46 pm 
 

T&T have TLG's CZ:UW in VGC for $80.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:35 pm 
 

I'm about to start an AD&D 1st Ed. campaign based around CZ.  I have Upper Works, Yggsburgh (coming soon) and Dark Chateau.  From a gaming point of view, is there anything else that I should be thinking of getting hold of?


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:04 pm 
 

That's the core products.

The districts supplements just fluff up Yggsburgh, and the East Marks Gazetteer again is just fluff rushed out to fill a gap in demand prior to CZ:UW bein released, a huge chunk of which was just reprinted in the CZ:UW boxed set. There was also a PDF or two that didn't make print, and some snippets in Crusader.

Bottom line is, if you have Yggsburgh, Upper Works and Dark Chateau, you have 90+% of the material printed, and everything you'll need for a solid campaign.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:37 pm 
 

Grand, thanks mate. :D


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:54 pm 
 

There is also a fan written extension to CZUW, which has dug down to levels 2-6A so far, and work on level 7 is progressing.

You can check the status at http://thegrognardslawn.blogspot.com

Link to latest version:  http://rapidshare.com/files/236882376/WG13_0905b.pdf



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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:12 pm 
 

Is there a CZ:UW pdf to buy yet?

Although, I'd say that the T&T $80 one is a good buy currently at that price.


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Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:26 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:Is there a CZ:UW pdf to buy yet?


No and their probably won't be one.  Any such PDF would need to be a meeting of the minds between Gygax Games and TLG which seems very unlikely.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:17 am 
 

What he said.

Never likely to be a PDF or a reprint in the original format.
Maybe something on paper or PDF in the future for Patfinder/LA/4E, but will look and feel a lot different, and as with all the other 'Greyhawk Rehashes' over the years, likely to be very badly written and constructed.

WoTC have presented Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk very well, but is has nothing of EGG's gaming style, experience, or character in it.

If Mongoose get their hands on Trigee's inheritence (which is the current implied intent), they will in all likelyhood put out a badly constructed, poorly illustrated pastiche of what they fatasize about, and hand it over to the chinese to have it written. They are unlikely to manage to get more than 80% of the words correctly spelled or placed in the correct order, so for all our sakes, let's hope either Trigee or Mongoose go under before they can close a deal.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:36 am 
 

ashmire13 wrote:Is there a CZ:UW pdf to buy yet?

Although, I'd say that the T&T $80 one is a good buy currently at that price.


I'm not suprised that it's still there.  Their description of the box and contents are the usual (possible heavy wear and/or damage to the product) and will make all but the die hard "I've got to have it" fan shy away (well, those that can read anyway).


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:49 am 
 

Do you think T&T are exagerating the quality of their products?
I'd never have thought they'd be so low!   :wink:  :D


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:34 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Do you think T&T are exagerating the quality of their products?
I'd never have thought they'd be so low!   :wink:  :D


That's what's keeping me from pushing the button.  If they thought no-one would squeal about it at a higher price you'd better believe that they'd be trying to charge it.  For a sub $100 CZ I'd guess it's in bad shape.


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:51 pm 
 

Water damage? Fungus? Magic Marker? Highlighter? Missing Pages? Missing books? Who knows what "Very Good Condition" means to T&T. It certainly seems to have a very wide scope with very hazy boudaries, encompassing everything below "Mint in Shrink", which itself seems to mean anything from "VG-and-we-shrunk-it-ourselves" to brand new stock.

I suspect someone is going to either get a fairly good buy or get stung big time. It's certainly not worth an $80+shipping gamble, but that sems to be solely because the seller cannot be trusted. Lets face it, if Crazy Egor, Hiking Viking or Intelligator (or whatever he's called) was selling this, it would have sold within hours.

Wonder if T&T are aware that there is a "T&T effect" negatively influencing their sales? Trust?


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:18 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Water damage? Fungus? Magic Marker? Highlighter? Missing Pages? Missing books? Who knows what "Very Good Condition" means to T&T. It certainly seems to have a very wide scope with very hazy boudaries, encompassing everything below "Mint in Shrink", which itself seems to mean anything from "VG-and-we-shrunk-it-ourselves" to brand new stock.

I suspect someone is going to either get a fairly good buy or get stung big time. It's certainly not worth an $80+shipping gamble, but that sems to be solely because the seller cannot be trusted. Lets face it, if Crazy Egor, Hiking Viking or Intelligator (or whatever he's called) was selling this, it would have sold within hours.

Wonder if T&T are aware that there is a "T&T effect" negatively influencing their sales? Trust?


They sure seem to sell alot of stuff for having a bad selling reputation :?


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:20 pm 
 

Didn't someone on here buy one from them recently that had a big tear through the side of the box that went into one of the books? He got a replacement if I remember correctly....I wonder if thats the damaged one that was sent back.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:29 pm 
 

GreyM,

I had ordered the Champaign setting book and it did come with a big gash in the side of the box which of course put a gash in the side of the book.  They did replace it with a NM copy and did so quite quickly.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:01 pm 
 

Blackmoor wrote:
They sure seem to sell alot of stuff for having a bad selling reputation :?

Same can be said for Cougie. He's one of the biggest UK resellers and peeps complain about him all the time.
GreyM wrote:Didn't someone on here buy one from them recently that had a big tear through the side of the box that went into one of the books? He got a replacement if I remember correctly....I wonder if thats the damaged one that was sent back.

Wouldn't surprise me. That certainly sounds like T&T Good Condition to me. Virtually mint!


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:32 pm 
 

Prufrock wrote:GreyM,

I had ordered the Champaign setting book and it did come with a big gash in the side of the box which of course put a gash in the side of the book.  They did replace it with a NM copy and did so quite quickly.

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I wanted to say it was you, but I couldn't be sure. I'm glad my memory isn't failing me  :D

If anyone's brave enough to buy that, please let us know ... maybe they're reading the threads on here and are trying to get back on the good side  8)

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:17 pm 
 

GreyM wrote:If anyone's brave enough to buy that, please let us know ... maybe they're reading the threads on here and are trying to get back on the good side  8)

:D  I don't think they need our money.  :lol:


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:54 pm 
 

I was going to buy it, but T&T had to fix my account for some reason (my address wasn't processable or something or other), and someone bought the set in the meanwhile.


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Post Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:37 pm 
 

Found another CZ:UW in the wild.

The glue that holds the printed paper to the cardboard boxes of this copy has dried out.  When I apply pressure with my fingers to the edges of the box, the glue makes a crackling noise.  The noise is similar to Pop Rocks.  The paper on the inside of lower box is no longer attached.

My personal copy does not have this problem (yet?), though I can hear a small amount of crackling when I run my fingers over it.

Anyone else hear anything similar when stroking their CZ?   :D

  
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