Gnat the Beggar wrote:Along with the statement about Libraries and Museums/Gallaries that has been posted here on the forums before.

Apparently the copy must either be sent with the original, or destroyed.
In any case YOU cannot keep the copy since you no longer own the oiginal.

So I could sell CZ:UW Complete with Backup PDF on a CD? That may be challenged by TLG or TriGee.

jgbrowning wrote:To the best of my knowledge that would be completely legal. Both the original and the backup you made are your personal property and you can dispose of them as you wish.

I bet that would ramp the sale price up.  
But no way of controlling where the PDF went thereafter, and if Mars' reading of Clause 4a is correct, you may only reproduce portions of, and not the entirity of, something for your own personal use. Probably more prudent to destroy it.
That said, if it were sold legitimately along with its hardcopy, and it were then to go wild, it would not be something of my doing.

Mars wrote:This clause refers to scanning in parts of the book to be put up on a website or passed out amongst friends so it doesn't really apply to making a backup for personal use.

Cool. Could do an entire CZ DVD along with a set of hard copies.

jcp wrote:
It is illegal to distribute in any way so-called back up copies of books or games you own. In fact as I have already stated many times it's not even legal to make back-up copies of books or games at all in the first place. As has been pointed out no one is going to rush to your house for making personal back up copies but if you start distributing them that is cause for more serious concern.

Book I understand.
By 'game' I assume you mean printed materials.
This cannot apply to computer games distributed on CD or DVD as they only come with a 90 day warranty, and no one would ever buy a game that they were only legally allowed to use for 90 days if the got cyclic redundancy errors thereafter.

With book and persanal production and use of a PDF, I consider the law to be irrelevant and incorrectly applied. It is meant to combat general piracy and not meant to hinder or hamper the personal freedoms or rights of an individual to enjoy their own purchased products. Furthermore, I very much doubt it has ever been tested or would ever stand up in a court of law. So the law, as it is read and applies to an individual making PDFs for personal safety and use, is a complete irrelevance.

That only leaves whether or not passing a persoan copy to someone else is considered 'distribution' and under which circumstances, one might exercise one's own values over that prescribed by written law. It is quite clearly 'distribution' as passing it to another then falls outwith any deffinition of 'personal use by the creator', so the moral question is whether or not someone is willing and can justify to themselves, breaking civil law, how far they are willing to go, and how much risk they are willing to take on.

One would assume being in a foriegn country further deters prosecution, as it seems US civil law only applies to civil offences committed on US soil.

In Canada a fee for each writeable CD or DVD is given to the music industry.  In exchange, we are allowed to make backup copies of CD music for personal use without ever having to own the original.  Borrowing a CD from the library, making a copy, returning the original is perfectly legal.

I don't think this policy applies to games on CD though.

The number of copies is not less than 500.

as far as what I have seen since the beginning of this year, it appears you are really, really lucky....

Jorge

carrejo wrote:as far as what I have seen since the beginning of this year, it appears you are really, really lucky....

Jorge

Agreed, the lowest price I have seen since March has been $135.  And 3 for $10 at a convention?  What convention was this?

Yeah, that seems like a ridiculously low amount, but considering I got mine for $0... I won't complain.