[quote="FormCritic"]

Paul:

From our conversations with Greg Stafford I believe that the only difference between the 1st and 2nd boxed sets would be the depth of the boxes.

The contents may have multiple print runs, but I suspect that the printings of the box contents are pretty much identicle.  I strongly suspect that there was a great deal of mix and match between the sets as they were assembled.

Greg doesn't remember details like print runs and small revisions, which makes micro-edition research difficult.


FC:  I agree with your summation (such as map colour variation), but I think the members of the Acaeum have highlighted a few areas of interest for the Stormbringer collector.  And if Mars receives an answer one question may be partially solved.  Moreover I can't record, or for that matter sell, my Stormbringer as a 1st/2nd edition copy (or a variation of the 1st edition) until I'm sure of some facts.

For instance:

I think the questions concerning the 144 page blue and rust versions of the rulebook can be sussed out (even designating the blue rulebook as the rarer of the two would help)--we know the 144 page rulebook was in the first edition deep box.

However, it is Chaosium's box depth and dates which are problematic:  
Both ToT, rpg, and other sites have listed the deep box entitled, "Stormbringer" as the 1981 1st edition (stock number 2006), and the shallower box entitled, "Michael Moorcock's" Stormbringer" as the 1985 2nd edition (stock number 2101), and this information is 100% correct if the 2nd edition has three rulebooks (I assume all the dates would by 1985).

Yet, given the 1981 copyright date on my and other's shallower box's underside, including its notation of a single booklet (in fact, all the contents are copyrighted 1981) and bearing the stock number 2101X, there is a discrepancy versus the well-documented 1985, three rulebook 2nd edition, that should be investigated.

Wow, do I need my meds.

Best,

Paul

FormCritic wrote:I'm gonna have to get my boxes out now and have a look at small details.

Check out the Q and A with Greg Stafford strand on the Acaeum forums:

As I see it, the two inch thick box should be thought of as "first print," with the one inch thick box as "second print."

You might also check back on an old strand in the Non-TSR section.  I believe its name is Sorting Out Elric.

FC:  First, I agree the only Stormbringer product that can be called the true 1st edition is the 2 inch box.  No argument there.

Thanks for the link to Greg Stafford.  From the way I read his answer, it sounds like the switch to the shallow box occurred after the initial 1981 printing.  So the 2nd run of the 1st edition used the shallow box, which explains why all the contents and the box itself are copyrighted 1981.  Hence in 1985, Chaosium reissued the shallow box, but with three booklets to make it even cheaper to print.  Sound right?  

That would make the 1981 shallow box the 1st edition, 2nd printing (for lack of a better term).  Unless someone has more information, it does make sense:).

Oh, and the link to, "Sorting out Elric" was very helpful.  Though I will have to update some of the information.

Did you make the millions you hope for, FC?;)

best,

Paul

Hermit,

I was just debating these with another member.  They look yummy, but I had undervalued them.

Kingofpain89 wrote:
Hey I know that winning bidder!     Wow....lofenloc outbid again.  So there is hope for the rest of us after all.  

Condition was really nice, they didn't have any of the usual tearing and creasing around the little "windows" in front.  Congrats Martin!

Mike B.

HermitFromPluto wrote:Just an aside. I was impressed with the price on the First print Fez 1 and Nanorien Stones:


** expired/removed eBay auction **

Is there print run info on these somewhere to suggest these were first?  They do have the alternative folder covers though - not sure if I have seen a red/orange Nanorien Stones yet or not.

If we have to outbid lefenloc then we may be inflating the price a bit.  I lost the King Lout auction to him; I knew he would probably be around for this auction so I put in a high bid.  They are in great shape so the $177 is not too far out for these games.  Had the auction been for the Blasted Lands and Beastmaker I doubt I would have been able to overcome lefenloc or others who would have come out of the woodwork.

martin

Yeah, I did not realize just how rare King Lout is.  Badmike told me it was quite rare, but if I would have known then what I know now I would have had about $300 on it.

Martin

I will beat him; physically if necessary.

Now Mars lets talk about that King Lout.  

Martin

I was at Half Price Books yesterday.

I noticed a 4th Edition Stormbringer book with the map still inside.

The map inside the book is blue, rather than pink.  (Cannot remember if anyone pointed that out earlier)

Is it possible that maps from different editions have gotten intermixed in the boxed sets?

Certainly, the map itself is cool enough to keep around even between editions.