G026,  I meant Hermit.  I told you Chaosium is working my last nerve.

dbart, the listing at rpg made me check ToT which lead me to get the ddts and come here.

PaulKM wrote:The map appears to be quite brownish. Mark is this like your map?

I think the photo in that auction is a little bit messed up on the cover.   My book isn't quite so read and the map there has strange colour.  My map is more of a mix between tan and chocolate milk brown

Just so I'm clear on the colour of things, I took a scan of the book and map for comparison.  I think red (like a cherry) is the best colour to describe the book and tan brown the map.

Right, so if I have my Stormbringer/Eternal Champion/Elric! product list correctly:

1st edition:
Stormbringer box (deep box. single rule book. unknown # of printings)
Stormbringer Companion

2nd edition:
Stormbringer 2nd box (shallow box. multiple books.)
Demon Magic (2nd Companion)
Stealer of Souls
Black Sword
The Octagon of Chaos (Theatre of the Mind Enterprises)

2nd edition also sees the Eternal Champion product line:
Hawkmoon box
The Shattered Isle (aka Hawkmoon Companion)
White Wolf

3rd edition:
Stormbringer 3rd rulebook (hardcover. printed by GW. makes UA look well-bound from all accounts)

4th edition:
Stormbringer 4th rulebook (softcover)
Sea Kings of the Purple Towns
Sorcerers of Pan Tang
Perils of the Young Kingdoms
Rogue Mistress

Elric!:
Elric! rulebook (softcover)
Elric! Gamemaster's Kit
Atlas of the Young Kingdoms, Vol. 1: The Northern Continent
Melniboné
The Unknown East
The Bronze Grimoire
Sailing on the Seas of Fate
Fate of Fools

Stormbringer 5th edition (aka Elric! revised/reformated)
Stormbringer 5th rulebook (softcover)
Gods of Chaos (monograph)
Gods of Law (monograph)
Hawkmoon 2nd edition (monograph)
Old Hrolmar (monograph)
Corum (Darcsyde Productions)

Anything I'm missing?

PaulKM wrote:Chaosium, 2001, d20 system: The Dragon Lords of Melnibone

There's also Slaves of Fate, the sole supplement for Dragon Lords.  (Amusingly enough: it was originally supposed to have a sequel, Straits of Chaos, that was never published.  The cover that was to be used for it ended up on the 2002 BRP booklet instead.)

Chaosium, 2006: Hawkmoon: Adventures in the Tragic Milennium

That would be the Hawkmoon monograph.

I haven't looked at the Mongoose stuff yet, but it's good to have a list of their Hawkmoon stuff.  (There's also some Elric stuff, but how many books slips my mind.)  I find their printing quality to be iffy and their prices to be a bit high for the words-per-page ratio, which is why I haven't picked anything up yet.

Things stay odd with Stormbringer: I really want some answers!



This looks to be the second edition box:




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However, the seller has confirmed that the box's contents, including the red/rust coloured 144 page rulebook, have the 1981 copyright.



This map colouration looks exactly like mine, and unlike Mark's.  



The rear of the box, like mine, bears the 1981 copyright, and the "What's in this box" description on the back of the box mentions a single, not triple, rulebook.



Perhaps this is a 1981 second printing?  Old stock in a new, shallower box?  



I'm confused.



Help, anyone?[/i]

FormCritic wrote:This list seems to suggest the existence of a hardcover 5th Edition Stormbringer.  Does anyone have this?

That's just my bad formatting; as far as I know there's no hardcover 5th ed. book.

As far as I know, Gods of Law and Gods of Chaos Monographs did not actually occur.  Right?  Anyone?

I've encountered people who claim to have them, and I've seen a picture of the cover for one of them -- so I'm going with yes.

beasterbrook wrote:I had a vague recolution that it was an Aussie that wrote these...

Charles Green.  No idea where he's from though.

Anyway, here's the cover of Gods of Chaos: http://index.rpg.net/pictures/show-pic.phtml?picid=3994

Supposedly that particular monograph has a terrible layout to the point of being close to unreadable.

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Paul:

From our conversations with Greg Stafford I believe that the only difference between the 1st and 2nd boxed sets would be the depth of the boxes.

The contents may have multiple print runs, but I suspect that the printings of the box contents are pretty much identicle.  I strongly suspect that there was a great deal of mix and match between the sets as they were assembled.

Greg doesn't remember details like print runs and small revisions, which makes micro-edition research difficult.


FC:  I agree with your summation (such as map colour variation), but I think the members of the Acaeum have highlighted a few areas of interest for the Stormbringer collector.  And if Mars receives an answer one question may be partially solved.  Moreover I can't record, or for that matter sell, my Stormbringer as a 1st/2nd edition copy (or a variation of the 1st edition) until I'm sure of some facts.

For instance:

I think the questions concerning the 144 page blue and rust versions of the rulebook can be sussed out (even designating the blue rulebook as the rarer of the two would help)--we know the 144 page rulebook was in the first edition deep box.

However, it is Chaosium's box depth and dates which are problematic:  
Both ToT, rpg, and other sites have listed the deep box entitled, "Stormbringer" as the 1981 1st edition (stock number 2006), and the shallower box entitled, "Michael Moorcock's" Stormbringer" as the 1985 2nd edition (stock number 2101), and this information is 100% correct if the 2nd edition has three rulebooks (I assume all the dates would by 1985).

Yet, given the 1981 copyright date on my and other's shallower box's underside, including its notation of a single booklet (in fact, all the contents are copyrighted 1981) and bearing the stock number 2101X, there is a discrepancy versus the well-documented 1985, three rulebook 2nd edition, that should be investigated.

Wow, do I need my meds.

Best,

Paul

FormCritic wrote:I'm gonna have to get my boxes out now and have a look at small details.

Check out the Q and A with Greg Stafford strand on the Acaeum forums:

As I see it, the two inch thick box should be thought of as "first print," with the one inch thick box as "second print."

You might also check back on an old strand in the Non-TSR section.  I believe its name is Sorting Out Elric.

FC:  First, I agree the only Stormbringer product that can be called the true 1st edition is the 2 inch box.  No argument there.

Thanks for the link to Greg Stafford.  From the way I read his answer, it sounds like the switch to the shallow box occurred after the initial 1981 printing.  So the 2nd run of the 1st edition used the shallow box, which explains why all the contents and the box itself are copyrighted 1981.  Hence in 1985, Chaosium reissued the shallow box, but with three booklets to make it even cheaper to print.  Sound right?  

That would make the 1981 shallow box the 1st edition, 2nd printing (for lack of a better term).  Unless someone has more information, it does make sense:).

Oh, and the link to, "Sorting out Elric" was very helpful.  Though I will have to update some of the information.

Did you make the millions you hope for, FC?;)

best,

Paul